Re: Posthumous Eagle
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:39:00 -0500
I'm posting this here as well as sending a personal note to Joe so that
he'll have it either during or when he returns from the Jamboree!
>Mike Walton, I find that I disagree with you for once.
>Awarding an Eagle posthumously where the requirements were not met >doesn't
"honor" the scout. Just because someone dies tragically doesn't >make them
more deserving than they were while they were still alive.
I agree with you on that fact, Joe. However, when the Scout was willing but
*unable* through no fault of his own to meet the requirements for Eagle in
the "traditional manner", I feel that the posthumous Eagle does indeed
"honor" that Scout.
There are lots of examples out there whereby the Eagle candidate started on
the road toward Eagle, and then dies or becomes critically injured to a
point whereby he cannot continue on the road toward Eagle. The National
Court of Honor needs to look at, as a couple of others wrote earlier today,
at the "total picture" of this Scout. What kind of Scout was he, Mr. or Ms.
Scoutmaster? What kind of kid was he, parents? What kind of student was
he, Principal or Guidance Counsellor? Tell us about his Scouting background
and history, Scout Executive. If this Scout appeared in front of you and a
"traditional Board of Review", would you tend to approve his Eagle based on
the information YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW?
>I'm sure that when National looks at these cases, they make sure that
>while the "letter" of each requirement may not have been completed, the
>intent of each requirement was met. Therefore, no waiver should be
>granted if the scout didn't complete the required number of merit badges,
>or hadn't filled a leadership position for 6 months.
I disagree with you. If a Scout dies while in the first two months of being
Senior Patrol Leader, and was one merit badge....the merit badge they were
all working on that month...for Eagle, I feel as this kid's Scoutmaster that
he would indeed meet the rest of the requirements and I would recommend
approval of the Eagle, knowing what *I* knew of the Scout: that he attends
every meeting he can for the past three years, that he's brought six Scouts
to the Troop, that he's worked as a CIT the summer before he died...all of
those things I as his Scoutmaster would be able to relate to my Scout
Executive and his parents and therefore give a "wider picture" than just of
"one merit badge and 4 months away from Eagle".
>In regards to your other post about the SF council, I'm a little confused.
>Are they practicing "don't ask/don't tell"? This would be ok in my book.
>However, if you are saying that they allow leaders to continue to be
>registered when they *KNOW* that they are homosexual, then this >would be,
to me, in clear violation of National's stated policy. I would >hate to
have to defend BSA in court in other jurisdictions!
I'm not sure how they are going about it, but would venture that it's a form
of the "don't ask/don't tell" policies that currently applies to our
military (and which has either been upheld or tossed out, depending on which
judge looks at it and sees the side they choose to). I know that their
Council has a lot of eyes constantly looking at it, and that it's got to be
really hard to be a volunteer there; but as far as the manner of how they go
about their selection and retention of volunteers, that I don't know enough
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