Re: Girl Scout Knot
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:41:26 -0500
What GREAT questions today!!
Carol Kelley asked:
>Does any one know if there has ever been an attempt to create a knot
>for female leaders who earned their First Class Girl Scout or Gold Award
>as it is now called?
No. There never has been an attempt, Carol, mainly because of the attitudes
of many on the BSA's Uniform and Insignia Committee. This is the one of the
hardest committees to get membership to, but it is one of the most visiable
committee appointments. Their basic attitude is "let's not
create too many of these things; they lose meaning when we do this".
The basic line has been that the square knots are to represent BSA awards or
awards in which the BSA has an agreement with (in the case of the religious
emblem program). There is also a line in the BSA's Insignia policies,
however, which will help us out in this quest:
"Awards presented by other Scout associations may be worn on the BSA
uniforms during events and activities of the awarded Scouter and that
association." Basically, you can wear the First Class/Gold Award pin during
Girl Scouting activities and events on your Boy Scout field uniform.
There's something else that'll help out on the longterm:
"Local Councils may create special insignia in conjunction with national
programs and events; such insignia must be approved by the national Uniform
and Insignia Committee beforehand". (this has been relegated to the Council
Executive, whom must approve the design and reasoning and provide if
requested, a copy of the insignia to the staff advisor to that Committee at
the National office. This is how Jamboree strip patches and staff patches
for council Jamboree contingents, for two examples, are approved for wear.)
So, now what you have to do is the following:
First, create a "knot" emblem. A word of advice: DO NOT USE SQUARE KNOTS,
for that is the "area" of the National commiteee and more than likely, it
would be denied at the National level. Other local Councils have had a lot
of success with overhand knots or a simple emblem to represent the award, as
Sea Explorers for years have used the trident to represent the Seabadge. A
good recommendation would be a gold trefoil with a silver wreath on a light
green background and with a tan border. In this way,
if the award ever changes names again, you won't have to "reinvent" the
emblem to reflect the new award name.
Second, seek approval for wearing the award with your Council Scout
Executive. DO NOT ASK THEM TO PURCHASE THE EMBLEMS, but ask for approval.
Use the same justification you've used here, and also indicate that it would
be used within his (or her) local Council, thereby not needing National
approval (they'll like that....if all he or she has to approve is the
design, and no money comes out of the Council's budget, you'll sure to get
Third, find an insignia company that will produce the emblem for you, and
order a SMALL amount (no more than 200). Wear them and provide them to
other First Class/Gold Scout holders for the costs to recoup what you've
paid for them. If other First Class/Gold Scout holders from neighboring
Councils want one, make them sign or provide them with a statement that
"this award has NOT been approved for wear by the National Council, Boy
Scouts of America and should NOT be worn on the field uniform without
permission from your Council Scout Executive." That also prevents them from
being able to wear it one day, and someone nimrod telling them ("the patch
police") "You can't wear this...its not an approved patch". They can show
them the statement and if their SE says "it's okay with me", they can snub
them with "Hey, the Scout Executive says it's alright...take a hike!"
(Fourth, post a note here on Scouts-L that simply says that you have them
available for those wanting to purchase one; I for one would love to add one
to the online insignia collection which includes all of the square knots
produced nationally and by local Councils. This is NOT neccessary; just a
small plug and request at the same time)
The Scoutmaster Award of Merit started out as the "Why Knot" in upstate New
York; because a large number of Scouters saw the "more experienced
Scouters" wearing a series of knots, a District decided after getting
Council approval, that any Scouter registered as Scoutmaster for at least
two years, and have completed Scoutmaster Fundamentals, would receive one at
Roundtable. Our past Chief Scout Executive came to that Council for a
dinner, saw the knots on so many volunteers, and asked one of his staffers
to find out what it's for. The rest, as they say, is history.
Likewise, a Council in Texas created a special fisherman's knot emblem and
presents it to "Friends of Scouting" in their Council before the now
familiar West Fellowship knot and program was created. These people, known
as "Paisanos", wear this special emblem alongside any other square knots.
(I'm still trying to find one to add to the site; any leads appreciated)
Finally, I am using this method to get the Youth Leadership in America knot
approved. It's been approved by the Buffalo Trace Council, but I haven't
purchased the knot emblem yet. (I'm waiting on my "retainer pay" from the
Army to finally show up here, so that I can use $110 of it to get the
patches created...any day now. <soapbox>It's a true shame that the BSA
basically "forgot" about those Senior Patrol Leaders, Post Presidents, Ship
Boatswains, and Team Captains that competed and received the awards, wore
them with pride, but have to wear the bar pin as adults.
Carol, you have a good idea, but remember that all good ideas start small
and start in the right direction. Sit down, think about what would former
Girl Scouters would be happy and proud to wear, and make a design plan.
Present it to your Council Executive and get him or her "on board" for YOUR
COUNCIL; "share the wealth" and thereby encouraging other Councils to adopt
your "emblem" and eventually, like what happened with the Seabadge "knot",
the BSA will officially incorporate your emblem and
it will be official everywhere you go in Scouting!
(c) 1997 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") (502) 827-9201
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