Re: [Fwd: Policy Question re: Delaying Advancement]
Jeff L. Glaze (jglaze@SUBASIC.SCIATL.COM)
Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:01:08 -0400
At 04:21 PM 7/23/97 -0400, Steven G. Tyler wrote:
>Jeff L. Glaze wrote, in part:
>> Adding nothing to the requirement, and detracting nothing from the
>> requirement as written..... "While a xxxx Scout, serve actively for
>> x months in one or more of the following troop positions of
>> I, and many Scouters interpret "serve actively" to mean more than
>> just "hold title".
>...and as has been stated, it is my understanding that those who do so
>have been universally reversed when challenged on denying advancement.
>What does that say to you about BSA's position?
You beg the question, From whence does your understanding come? Have
you seen written "official" policy material from BSA defining "actively serve"
as equivalent to "holding title for the specified period of time". Unless
be privy to the same information you posess (as oppossed to my copy of
"Advancement Policies and Procedures Committee Guide") then I would
answer the question posed above: It says nothing, only that someone has
paraphrased some appeal decision or other. Further, I would like to see the
documentation which "universally" reversed whomever has not signed
the leadership requirement for that particular rank advancment req.
>> I understand your position quite clearly (even the implied character
>> regarding my position and my "example") but I respectfully disagree, until
>> such time as a "official" policy statement from BSA may be referenced.
>Well, I don't have direct access to BSA's printed directives, but there
>are others on the list who do. Any takers? I stand ready to be
>corrected, and will cheerfully concede the matter is still open if I am
>shown that even one recent appeal has been upheld based on your
I have my 1996 copy of "Advancement Policies and Procedures Committee
Guide", and until it is supplemented by some other material, that is what
I'll refer to when trying to answer questions on this particular advancment
I have never heard of an appeal by a scout who argued that his Scoutmaster
should sign him off for the leadership requirement even if the SM did not
feel the Scout "actively served". If others on the list have heard of such an
appeal, perhaps they'd be kind enough to share the particulars with those
of us interested in this topic.??
Most appeals I have ever heard about were with respect to some irregularity
of an Eagle applicants record.... I've not heard of an appeal to council
advancment committee regarding an individual requirement for rank.
To the list;
Has anyone else on the list experienced such an advancment appeal??
Jeff L. Glaze, Vice-Chairman
Northeast District Advancement Committee
Atlanta Area Council, Boy Scouts of America
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