More Advancement stuff
Scott Drown (scottdd@HALCYON.COM)
Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:35:12 -0700
>Scott Drown wrote:
>> If what you you are saying is true, if a Scout was elected to
>> Patrol Leader, came to 50% of the meetings and 5% of the outings, did not
>> attend PLCs, and took no part in leadership activites he should be passed
>> on. - What kind of leadership does this demonstrate? And what kind of
>> minimum standard?
Mark Wright wrote:
>In our troop, PLs are elected by Patrol members. They are expected,
>though, to attend PLC meetings and, if they cannot attend Troop
>meetings, are expected to ensure that the APL will attend. When they
>fail to do this, they can be removed by the PLC from their position. In
>this way, they will not achieve the 4 or 6 month requirement. However,
>if they *do* make it to the 4 or 6 months, then they have met the
>requirement and it must be signed off. There is still the little matter
>of "Scout Spirit", though...
Interesting replies I have gotten to my comments!
In my time with the Troop I can only think of one time that a Scout was
removed as Patrol Leader - and that was before his tenure was up and it was
done by the Scoutmaster for failure to carry any out of the duties of
Patrol Leader after repeated talks and counselings. I think the model
above is the best and we have a minimum of PLCs Patrol Leaders must attend.
I am pretty hesitant about using the Scout Spirit option but I guess it is
After reading the discussion I think I will bring the matter of setting
minimum standards up to the PLC next month and see what they think.
A number of the replies refer to appeals to Council and even National. Are
these common? Just think - we could set up a seperate Court system in
Scouting, complete with judges, attorneys, district courts, appellate
courts, and National as the Supreme Court! What a lesson in true life - if
you can't settle it by talking to each other then take it to the courts.
I guess it is a sign of our litigious society.
Frankly, I am not to concerned about being "overruled" on appeal. Life is
to short to constantly worry about it and I will let my conscience guide me
where the Scout books leave room for a decision.
I like the idea of minimum standards but as far as I can tell they violate
the "no more, no less" rule! So that to should lose in an "appeal". I
have not gone back to the books but is there anywhere that says the PLC or
Troop can set these standards?
Thanks for all the great discussion by the way.
SM Troop 39, Maltby
Mt. Baker Council, Everett Wa.
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