Re: We'd like to canoe on a pond with Cubs
John Durbetaki (JohnDurbetaki@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:59:57 -0700
Jack Cudney wrote:
>AS a reply to both Jan and John D. John, you made a critical mistake.
>"Do we need to have a trained lifeguard there?" The answer is a YES !
>It is required in safety afloat!
Jack, I was reading directly from Guide to Safe Scouting and directly
from Safety Afloat. A lifeguard is _not_ required, only recommended
strongly, as a supervisor on the trip. If they are doing row boats,
non-swimers may ride with an adult. Only in the case of a canoe, raft or
sailboat would a non-swimmer be required to have a lifeguard in the
canoe with them. Additionally, I was very clear in saying, that as a
pack they can not do a canoe outing unless it is a council or district
event (1996 GTSS pg 9).
Later, Jack you refer to another section and in the 1996 edition, the
wording has changed. For Safety Afloat, there is no language requiring
qualified water safety supervisors, only a ratio change from 1:10 to
Just to keep the pot stirred up <g>, Safe Swim Defense does not require
a lifeguard either. And I quote (1996 GTSS pg 5) "All swimming activity
must be supervised by a mature an conscientious adult age 21 or older
who understands and knowlingly accepts responsibility for the well-being
and safety of youth members in his or her care, who is experienced in
the water and confident of his or her ability to respond in the event of
an emergency, and who is trained in and committed to compliance with the
eight points of BSA Safe Swim Defense. (It is strongly recommended that
all units have at least one adult or older youth member currently
certified as a BSA lifeguard to assist in planning and conduct of all
swimming activity.)" end of quote. This is also on my Safe Swim Defense
card (1994 printing). As an interesting note, the first line of Safe
Swim Defense is very close to the same wording as the first line of
Safety Afloat point #1 and the second line of Safe Swim Defense is also
almost exactly the same as the last line in point #1 of Safety Afloat.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City