Re: Early Arrow of Light and Cross Over Ceremony???
Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:40:58 -0700
I don't envy you for this. Here a few tidbits which may or may not
> Assistant Scoutmaster, Troop ..
Be carefull that you are not meddling with a pack's affairs for
the benefit of your troop.
> The parents are now saying that they have completed all of the
> activity badges for the Arrow of Light and ..
Did the boys complete the requirements or didn't they?
Once the requirements are met, this is out of the packs hands! The
only reason for a pack to tweek national requirements is if that is
done for the benefit of the boy involved. Considering what the pack
wants or what is better for other boys is not the right thing to do.
> ... and they want the Pack to have a special awards ceremony in
> September to give them their Arrow of Light and cross-over to a
> Boy Scout troop at the beginning of their fifth grade year.
When the boys have met the requirement the pack must award the
badge. Whether the pack makes a special awards ceremony or a
regular awards ceremony is however decided by the pack.
But this isn't the whole question: Do the boys find a troop
which takes them? A troop has the right to refuse a boy if they
think the boy doesn't meet their requirements, never mind AOL.
As a scoutmaster I might refuse a boy who is in too low a grade,
but then I would make this depend on the boys maturity and other
> The parents have also been talking to several troops about taking
> the boys in September.
Very good; that is their right. What did the troops think?
> the Pack only has this one group of Senior Webelos and losing these
> boys in September means the Pack will then have to go the entire year
> without any senior boys.
I don't think this is a legitimate argument at all. They can recruit new
boys if they wan't to.
>The Pack has traditionally awarded
Tradition alone is not enough reason to change national requirements.
> The Den parents want all of the boys, including the 10 year-olds to
> graduate together in September
Four things are wrong here:
1) The parents may speak for their own son only.
2) Transitioning to a troop is an individual action; boys transitioning
may do so as a den, but the normal case is that they do so on their own.
3) Do the boys meet the requirements?
The requirements state: (Page 357 of the Webelos book) Be active in your
Webelos den for at least 6 month since completing the fourth grade (or for
at least 6 months since becoming 10 years old) and ..
4) Is that in the best interrest for each boy?
This does obviously not matter very much for a pack, but it does for a troop
whether it has members which are not ready for the program.
> There is a considerable difference of opinion in both the Pack and the
> Troops involved in this situation.
If it helps to divide out responsibility, thats what I would propose: Earning
the arrow of light award is a cub scout activity; (As a cubmaster I do not
discuss this with any troops). Crossing over is an activity which is very
important for troops and only ceremonial for the pack, therefore the pack
should listen to what troops have to say.
A pack should not keep boys together unless the boys want to. Even when
boys wan't to stay together it is not always in the best interest of each boy.
Pack 6 has traditionally seperated webelos into two age categories. We
have den's for 4th grade boys and dens for 5th grade boys. We once
made an exception (for good reasons; at least we were thinking so) and did
let a 4th grade boy be a member of a 5th grade den. When his den was
transitioning to scouts, we gave the 4th grade boy a place in a 4th grade
den. Sadly we lost the boy; he didn't stay in the pack another year. I
don't know whether he joined a troop on his own once he met the age
requirements; I doubt the troop for the other boys from the old den kept
a tap on him.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City