Re: Webelos to Boy Scout Transition Questions
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:29:44 -0500
>After completing all of items 1 =96 5:
> Talk with your Webelos leader about becoming a Boy Scout
> Visit, with your parents or guardian, a meeting of a Boy Scout=
>you think you might like to join.
> Talk with the troop scoutmaster - learn about the troop: What=
>does, how it operates, what does it expect from its members, etc.
> After selecting the troop you want to join, get an =93Applicatio=
>become a Boy Scout=94, fill it out, have it signed by your parent or
>guardian, and talk about it with your Webelos leader.
The key word here is "talk", Peter. The requirements are designed to
encourage *discussion* between WEBELOS Cub Scout, his parents or guardians,
his WEBELOS Den Leader and anyone else involved in the process. Discussion,
we hope, to lead to a decision on which Troop to join and the steps that he
and his parents need to take before he becomes a Boy Scout.
>Well. OK, all fine and good, but then what?
>Does his current Webelos leader need to sign? To whom does the form
>go? Who delivers it to that individual?=20
The requirements are designed to show the WEBELOS Cub Scout what the form
looks like and the steps that he must take in order to become a Boy Scout.
Part of it is finding a Troop that suits him and his parents, meeting with
the Scoutmaster and Senior Patrol Leader of that Troop, and in getting and
filling out the application to become a Boy Scout. There's NOTHING there
that says that the application has to be "turned in" or "approved", although
we are hoping that if the parents take the time to sign the application, and
the Scout takes the time in getting and completing the application, that the
Scout and his parents would have had made a decision on which Troop to join.
The parents are responsible for getting the application -- and it's fees --
to the appropriate adult (the Scoutmaster, a Committeemember, someone else)
or the Troop's Scribe. Of course, the parents can delegate that to their
> How does the boy know they are accepted?=20
The Scout knows that he has been approved for membership in the Troop when
the Scoutmaster signs and presents the new Boy Scout with the temporary
certificate which is found in the inside cover of the Boy Scout application.
Many Scoutmasters will inform the parents and the new Scout
of the approval right then and there when he or she collects the fees for
joining the Troop and will start making the plans to attend the Cub Scout
graduation ceremony and welcome the new Scout into their Troop.
> How do they inform the Cub Pack leader they are leaving and when? Do
>they need to? Is there a Cub ceremony that should be scheduled? By and
There is NO requirement that a special Cub Scout graduation ceremony or=20
"Crossover" ceremony be performed before a WEBELOS Cub Scout can become a
Boy Scout. However, let's look at this from the Cub Scout's point of view:
He wants to be able to say "bye" to his fellow WEBELOS, he wants to tell
them officially where he chose to become a Boy Scout at, and the
WEBELOS-Scout Crossover ceremony, if performed well and with the dignity and
honor that belongs to it, can "push" those other WEBELOS Cub Scouts into
moving forward into finding a Troop and meeting the other requirements as=
Remember, there IS an "Arrow of Light" ceremony which SHOULD be performed as
part of the last Pack meeting of the WEBELOS Cub Scout. I placed "Arrow of
Light" ceremony in quotations, because there's a lot of different versions
and names of the ceremony in which the Cub Scout receives the highest
advancement rank in Cub Scouting and leaves Cub Scouting for Boy Scouting
and "bigger and better things".
The coordination for any such ceremony rests between four individuals:
The WEBELOS Cub Scout Den Leader; the Cubmaster; the Scoutmaster; and the
parents of the new Boy Scout. All four parties must be able to work
something out whereby the Pack officially says "good bye", the Troop says
"hello", the parents and the WEBELOS Den Leader expresses their pride in the
Cub Scout/Boy Scout, and it should be a public event.
>Perhaps this is all in a Leaders Manual but as a parent, it is not very
>clear and difficult to talk with the scout about this.
Start out, Peter, by visiting several Troop meetings and finding out which
of the several Troops your son and you as his parent feels the most
confortable with. Not just "how much money does it take to join", but other
things like "does he already have friends here", "how far is it from home",
"what kinds of outdoor events do they have planned", "how are the meetings".
Go unannounced and go to each place at least twice to get a "true reading"
as to whether or not "this Troop is for your son" and your family. Most
Scoutmasters and Senior Patrol Leaders will understand that you want to see
them "when they are not on stage"; if a Scoutmaster balks, its usaully a
good sign that you don't want your son there anyways, and you should move=
Next, once you and your son has decided on which Troop it's gonna be, sit
down with the Scoutmaster (and the Senior Patrol Leader; remember, Peter,
Boy Scouting is DIFFERENT from Cub Scouting...the boys SHOULD be the ones in
the "decision making roles" and should be running things; the adults are
there to keep them from hacking off fingers and to point them in the
appropriate direction if they stray off). Have him/her to explain the
program of the Troop, and if you're ready, fill out the application and take
it along with the phone numbers and names of the Troop's leadership to your
WEBELOS Den Leader.=20
The Den Leader should sign off the appropriate requirement lines in the
WEBELOS Cub Scout Book, fill out the advancement report and submit it to the
Cubmaster for approval and to coordinate the "Crossover ceremony" at the
next Pack meeting. In the meantime, your son can start attending Troop
meetings if the Scoutmaster and SPL says it's okay. Remember that you do
NOT have to be registered to attend Troop meetings...most local Councils
will allow "visitors" to participate up to two weeks before they demand a=20
registration application be provided (some won't even ask).
This time will give you and him a chance to see "if there's a good fit". If
you can use that application to join any other Troop; or just tear it up and
request a new application from the Troop your son *does plan* on attending.
Finally, the big night (or afternoon) comes, your son says "goodbye" to his
fellow WEBELOS Cub Scouts, he receives the Arrow of Light, and a Pack=20
Graduation certificate....he and you walks over the bridge to some sappy
song like "Over the Rainbow" or "One Tine Solider" or "Goodbye Yellow Brick
Road"....into the side with the Troop's youth leaders, led by the Senior
Patrol Leader and assisted by the Scoutmaster and other adults. He trades
the blue shoulder loops for the red, is presented with Troop numbers and his
new Patrol medallion, and raises his hand in the sign of the Scout and
repeats the Scout Oath (Promise) after the Senior Patrol Leader and becomes
a member of the Troop.
An emotion-laden time for all concerned, believe me.
Thanks for asking, and please tell your son "congrats" from all of us here!
(c) 1997 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") (502) 827-9201
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