Re: NEED a large size BSA "smokey" style hat
Lew Orans (lporans@ONRAMP.NET)
Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:16:34 -0500
At 11:39 AM 6/4/97 -0400, Mark Dryer wrote:
>I don't know what hat the West Point gift shop is selling for $22.
>US Army Drill Sergeant's hat (male) sells for $55 in Quartermaster
>Clothing Sales and is far heavyer duty than the BSA hat. I don't know
>who has all the contracts to supply hats to the Army, but mine is made
Actually, the original hat chosen by B-P for the South African
Constabulary in 1903 was a Stetson.
To quote B-P:
>From Baden-Powell, <italic>Lessons from the Varsity of Life</italic>,
1933: "Uniform.... "For headgear we wore Stetson hats with flat brims
which distinguished them from the hats worn by the Army with soft brims
looped up at the side. These hats, which were imported from America,
were known in the trade as "Boss of the Plains" or "B.P." pattern, which
brought about the mistaken notion that they had something to do with
As late as the 1970s the "Scoutmaster" hat was still made by the Stetson
Company in Louisville. In the days of red berets, our patrol leaders
elected to wear the Campaign Hat. The troop committee presented each new
patrol leader or troop officer with one of the hats then mad for youth. I
had purchased the adult model in New York City (from the "original" Scout
Shop" in the mid-30's off Lexington Avenue). Finding that the hat was
made by Stetson, I inquired of the company if they made a deluxe adult
model. At that time--believe it or not--the youth campaign hat was $16.95
or 17.95, the adult model was about $26.00. The so-called deluxe adult
model from Stetson was $52.00 custom from the Company in 1971 or 1972. It
is a heavier felt, a somewhat darker green, and the sweatband is printed
in gold with the Stetson mark and the name "The Scoutmaster" and Boy
Scouts of America (very faded after years of use).
Looking in stores selling Stetsons today in the Houston area, I would
estimate the cost of this model in the $200 plus category (perhaps
significantly more as it was a custom model). It was 10X quality and
todays 10X Stetson "Rancher" lists for $315.00. I wonder if you were to
call the Stetson Company today whether you could still get them to make
one up. It sure would not help you save money.
My hat has many memories and I have many memories associated with that
hat. As a look at a picture of the "green bar" (PLC) of Troop 4, North
White Plains, there are all the guys wearing those wonderful hats,
looking like something out of the twenties and in the middle of the
Thanks for the memories..
>When I retired I converted my "Brown Round" to Scout use by adding the
>hatband that I had beaded for my original BSA hat in 1964 when I had
>Brotherhood in the OA.
Yours in Scouting,
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