Re: BOBCAT BADGES-HAZING?
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:39:31 -0400
> From: The Wolf Family <2hpwolf@CYBERDRIVE.NET>
> Date: Thursday, June 05, 1997 1:30 AM
> This has been a point of discussion recently on rec.scouting.usa.
> The following message appeared on Jun 2, 1997, which appears to settle
> the issue.
I disagree that this settles the issue. The letter below merely says that
national "discourages" the practice. It does NOT (although it could have)
say that national PROHIBITS the practice. Thus, I DO NOT believe we can
conclude that the practice is against national policy.
As I said on rec.scouting.usa, I disagree with the practice, believe it
might be hazing (and THUS prohibited), but I do not see how you can read
into the letter from national that it is prohibited by policy. The letter
just doesn't say that, although it provides lots of good reasons NOT to do
> > April 14, 1997
> > Ms. B**
> > Address
> > somewhere in Iowa
> > Dear Ms. B**:
> > For several years, the Cub Scout Division has been trying to
> > the use of the Bobcat ceremony in which boys are physically turned
> > down. There are several reasons for this:
> > 1. It has a strong possibility of being frightening to some boys.
> > 2. It smacks of adult harassment of kids.
> > 3. It makes a frivolous occasion of what should be a solemn,
> > ceremony.
> > 4. It carries a real potential for injury. I wonder what explanation
> > leader could give to the parents (and possibly, the attorney) of a boy
> > was dropped on his head as to what was going on and why it was
> > 5. There is no Cub Scout basis to the ceremony. "Do a good turn
> > is the Boy Scout motto. There is no point to pinning a Bobcat pin
> > down until a boy does his "first good turn", because the daily good
> > is not a Cub Scout concept.
> > In summary, there is no point to this type of "ceremony" and it
> > significant potential for harm. As such, it has no place in Cub
> > and should not be used.
> > Sincerely,
> > (signed)
> > Ernest R. Thomas, Jr.
> > Associate National Director
> > Cub Scout Division
> > cc: Gene Stone, National Director
> > <name deleted>, Scout Executive of Mid-Iowa Council
Bruce E. Cobern
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