Re: BOBCAT BADGES-HAZING?
The Wolf Family (2hpwolf@CYBERDRIVE.NET)
Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:30:08 -0700
Laureen DeBenedetto wrote:
> Since I have only been on the list for less than two weeks, I apologize if
> this subject has already been covered. I was reading some postings on
> rec.scouting when I came across something that I was unaware of.
> My Pack _does_ turn the Cub Scouts upsidedown and the CM pins on their Bobcat
> Badge. The Scout is turned upsidedown and held by one of their parents. My
> questions are as follows:
> 1. Is it National Policy from the BSA not to turn the Scouts upsidedown
> period, whether done by their parent or not? If so, where do I get this
> information in writing so I can show our Committee?
> 2. Insurance....If a lawsuit incurs as a result of an accidental drop, by a
> parent, who would be held responsible? If BSA policy is not being followed
> then their insurance would not cover any expenses incurred in a lawsuit,
> 3. What are some other ideas of presenting this badge to the Bobcats? One
> idea I found in a ceremony listing was to have the boys lay on the floor and
> the CM pin it on them upsidedown that way, or have the boys stand on their
> hands against the wall while parents hold their feet up.....I'm not so sure
> about that one either.
> We have never had a problem or injury in this matter in the three years my
> family has been involved in scouting, but I always panicked whenever I saw a
> larger boy being hung upsidedown by a parent.
This has been a point of discussion recently on rec.scouting.usa.
The following message appearedon Jun 2, 1997, which appears to settle
> I spoke with a Gene Stone at the BSA National office about this very issue
> during April. He very kindly sent me a letter (and faxed it as well so I
> could have it quickly) about exactly the policy regarding this.
> It did little good in my council....but I am not done with this yet.
> Here is the text of the fax. I did delete my name, but I am willing to
> share that via email with anyone who would like it. Here it
> is...definitive evidence (they will fax to anyone requesting it) that the
> turning of boys is not permitted.
> April 14, 1997
> Ms. B**
> somewhere in Iowa
> Dear Ms. B**:
> For several years, the Cub Scout Division has been trying to discourage
> the use of the Bobcat cermony in which boys are physically turned upside
> down. There are several reasons for this:
> 1. It has a strong possibility of being frightening to some boys.
> 2. It smacks of adult harrassment of kids.
> 3. It makes a frivoulous occasion of what should be a solemn, dignified
> 4. It carries a real potential for injury. I wonder what explanation a
> leader could give to the parents (and possibly, the attorney) of a boy who
> was dropped on his head as to what was going on and why it was important.
> 5. There is no Cub Scout basis to the ceremony. "Do a good turn daily"
> is the Boy Scout motto. There is no point to pinning a Bobcat pin upside
> down until a boy does his "first good turn", because the daily good turn
> is not a Cub Scout concept.
> In summary, there is no point to this type of "ceremony" and it contains
> significant potential for harm. As such, it has no place in Cub Scouting
> and should not be used.
> Ernest R. Thomas, Jr.
> Associate National Director
> Cub Scout Division
> cc: Gene Stone, National Director
> <name deleted>, Scout Executive of Mid-Iowa Council
> Sage Backstrom
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