Re: Bobcat badges-hazing?
Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:40:55 -0700
>Is it National Policy from the BSA not to turn the Scouts upsidedown
>period, whether done by their parent or not?
You already got some good answers but I want to add my twist:
There is NO National Policy about turning scouts upsidedown.
However there IS a national policy against hazing and initiations.
So is turning a boy upside down hazing or not? I would say that
depends on the circumstances and the way it is performed. It could
be done in a way which is honorable and sincere to the boy, or, it
could become a prohibited initiation ceremony. I'd say if the other
boys are shouting anything bad, like "let him fall", the line has been
I would also consider indirect effects: You might be able to perform
a ceremony in an honorable way without any real hazing but if it
even looks like hazing it is already bad. Because you are being
an example: You do something which looks like hazing, the boys will
do something which looks like hazing. When they will copy you
it will not only look like hazing but probably be real hazing.
One more point: it may not be hazing and be ok if it happens somewhere
where people are not aware of the controversy. But that would not be
the case in my pack. People know about the controversy. You might not
get the point around that this could be done without hazing but the
message would be that you don't care about hazing.
For a "right side up" Bobcat ceremony, look at
>where do I get this information in writing so I can show our
I can't give it to you in writing, and, I'm not official. Im only
a cubmaster and sometimes a trainer.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City