Re: BOBCAT BADGES-HAZING?
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:42:29 -0500
>1. Is it National Policy from the BSA not to turn the Scouts upsidedown
>period, whether done by their parent or not? If so, where do I get this
>information in writing so I can show our Committee?
I haven't seen anything SPECIFICALLY addressing "inverse presentation"(the
technical name for turning the Bobcat Cub Scout upside down and pinning the
Bobcat Pin onto his shirt), but when you look at it from a "non-Scout"
point-of-view, it is a form of hazing. There's nothing
in the BSA's materials which support "turning the Bobcat upside down"
(as in, there's nothing in the traditional story of the Bobcat, nothing in
the Indian traditional story of Akela...and unless you talk about getting
babies from the womb (which is done feet first in most cases), there's
nothing anywhere else that supports the practice.
The practice, from what I've been able to research over the years, was
created primarily as a convience for the Cubmaster to give some "excitement"
over a rather otherwise boring ceremony involving pinning the Pin onto the
uniform upside down and intoning to the new Cub Scout not to turn it upside
right until after his first Good Turn for someone.
The BSA's Safe Guide to Scouting as well as the Youth Protection Policies
both state that hazing in any form for any reason is prohibited.
>2. Insurance....If a lawsuit incurs as a result of an accidental drop, by a
>parent, who would be held responsible? If BSA policy is not being
>followed then their insurance would not cover any expenses incurred in a
Not a lawyer here, but I would assume that the responsible parties would
start with the chartered partner organization, then unit leaders and the
person that was the "holder" (Assistant Cubmaster, Den Leader Coach, other
involved parent, etc.). From there, the "web" would probably expand to
include the local Council.
Your last sentence is correct, however...the BSA's liability policies only
cover those Scouters and Scouts that have with good faith adhered to the
BSA's and the local Council's policies and procedures. It would NOT cover
anything done outside of those policies and procedures nor would it cover
any participants in activities and programs specifically disallowed.
Hey Kathie....can you help with this one please??
>3. What are some other ideas of presenting this badge to the Bobcats? One
>idea I found in a ceremony listing was to have the boys lay on the floor and
>the CM pin it on them upsidedown that way, or have the boys stand on their
>hands against the wall while parents hold their feet up.....I'm not so sure
>about that one either.
>We have never had a problem or injury in this matter in the three years my
>family has been involved in scouting, but I always panicked whenever I saw a
>larger boy being hung upsidedown by a parent.
>"Too often we give children answers to remember, rather than problems to
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