Re: Changing Times was Scouts and Guns
Godbout, Marc (GodboutM@ANDOVERCONTROLS.COM)
Wed, 28 May 1997 15:59:09 -0400
> From: Patrick LAM[SMTP:plam@CS.MCGILL.CA]
> Reply To: Patrick LAM
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 3:28 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L
> Subject: Re: Changing Times was Scouts and Guns
> Hi Steve,
> On Wed, 28 May 1997, Steven Featherkile wrote:
> > happened? How did we go from there to where we are now? It seems
> to me
> > that we have lessened the experience of scouting to a large degree.
> > scouts don't want to have anything to do with a campout in the snow,
> > much less a backpack.
In my troop of 38 boys, I have maybe 5 or 6 who are willing to backpack.
A similar amount, but not all the same boys, like to camp in the snow.
All of them like to camp (I've got 19 going to summer camp), but not all
like the higher effort camping. We're also a fairly young troop, with
all but 3 boys 14-yrs and younger, so maybe that's part of the reason.
> I don't think it's fair to put the blame on Scouting for the change in
> society between then and now-- we aren't in the same kind of culture
> But I'll mention that my friend who's a (22-year old) Scout leader
> his (co-ed) Scout troop on winter campouts in quinzhees. I wasn't
> either in the 60s- I'm only 19- but I guess that North American
> is a lot more protective today. It seems that people are more scared.
At least in my troop they don't seem to be "scared" away. I get a
pretty decent turnout for rock climbing, which is scarier than hiking.
I wonder if it's more about instant gratification. They like to camp,
but walking for a few hours to get there turns them off. They'd rather
get the more immediate fun at home, in front of the computer. On the
other hand, these guys are climbing rocks almost as soon as we get
there, so that trip is more fun.
Also, there are more things to do on weekends than when I was a boy.
Sports in my town has gone crazy. Nothing wrong with that, of course -
I was a soccer coach for 7 years, but many of the teams require 100%
commitment. Another thing, for older boys, is work. When I was 16 most
of the jobs were in a manufacturing environment. A weekend off once in
a while was not a problem, especially if you could make up your work at
other times. Nowadays it seems as if most boys are working at
MacDonalds or grocery stores, where they get scheduled weekends.
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