Re: More public humiliation
Don, Liz & Matt (DScruggs@CONCENTRIC.NET)
Mon, 12 May 1997 16:19:11 -0400
James E Lade wrote:
> What kind of humiliation are we talking about? I know that our
> Scoutmaster will have a young Scout go and hunt for a "left handed smoke
> shifter" or a "latrine key". It's nothing more than a small joke, and the
> boy usually catches on. It's kind of a running joke for the
> smoke-shifter. Most adults on District campouts have figured it out and
> play along. I was the subject of something like this and didn't find it
> damaging. It was a good joke, and he got me to believe it. Nothing more,
> nothing less, and nothing damaging.
> James Lade
> Asst. SM Troop 301
In the most kind way possible let me tell you that what you have
described is a perfect example of hazing. Let me please examine your
> What kind of humiliation are we talking about?
According to Webster humiliation is the 'lowering of the pride or
dignity of' someone.
> I know that our Scoutmaster will have a young Scout go and hunt for a "left handed
> smoke shifter" or a "latrine key".
Then you know about an act of hazing that you should try to stop.
> It's nothing more than a small joke, and the boy usually catches on.
Two parts to this one. First, if it is a joke. it is funny only because
fun is being made fun of someone. They are being laughed AT not WITH.
Secondly you say the boy USUALLY catches on. What about those who don't
> It's kind of a running joke for the smoke-shifter.
That is sad!
> Most adults on District campouts have figured it out and play along.
Then I would refer this to your Council Executive.
> I was the subject of something like this and didn't find it damaging.
I was and I did! I cried for days. Never where anyone else could see me
of course. It would be unmanly to have feelings. If you want to know
whether a boy is hurt by such hazing you usually need to have his mother
ask him. He will tell her and no-one else usually. I have seen many
young scouts hurt by such hazing. It lowered MY dignity immensely. I had
thought Scouting was a safe place away from hurtful people. I can only
imagine how much worse it would have been if one of the adults had done
this to me.
> It was a good joke, and he got me to believe it.
So let's see your logic. Someone you trusted, lied to you, made fun of
you and this caused you to have faith in that person as a leader?
> Nothing more, nothing less, and nothing damaging.
I believe you are a good person, James, because you have come out of the
blue to help me recently. I must however disagree with you here.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City