Re: Wilderness First Aid
J. Kevin Chapman (IrishPiper@MSN.COM)
Sun, 11 May 1997 17:33:36 UT
Steve and All Scouts-L
I have just come back from our council's S.O.S. where myself and 8 other CPR
and First Aid Instructors ran a Standard First Aid course for 42 Scouters from
all around our Council and a few from otherCouncils. While giving this course
I was informed that the Wilderness First Aid portion of the course is out to
the Instructor Trainers now. I am not sure of the exact time as to when the
Instructors will be given the syllabus. I
I agree with you that a Wilderness Course needs to be incorporated and it is
in two instances. One with the Red Cross and the National Safety Council will
be coming out with a Wilderness First Aid Course in the Fall of this year. We
discusse this at the First Aid Instructors Advisory Council 3 weeks ago . The
book has been published and is ready to ship. It too will be included in the
NRC CPR and First Aid manual.
There are a number of companies that have Wilderness First Aid Courses,but
unless you are guiding these are very expensive. I have taken a few myself.
The Wilderness Medical Society located in Indianopolis, Indiana is the main
proponent of opening these courses to the general public if taught by
I personally teach these and also have had to use those skills numerous
times; at Philmont on a trek, a Camporee, and many other places. I would
encourage all adults to take a CPR course and First Aid. Stay current!
In my opinion, the Standard Course are not enough, but it is a start. A start
that many folks have not taken yet. First Aid needs to be taught repetitively.
Not with just one course!! I would suggest that the ARC and the NSC are taking
steps in the right direction.
By the way the defintion that is still be worked on is this Wilderness First
Aid is were there is a need when help is more than 30 minutes away!!!!!
If you have further questions please feel free to contact me privately on my
J. Kevin Chapman
Red Cross CPR and First Aid Instructor
Eagle '67 used to be a Bobwhite and a good ol'staffer too
Scoutmaster Jambo Troop 1421 Northwest Suburban Council
From: Scouts-L Youth Group List on behalf of Steven Featherkile
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 1997 9:28 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L
Subject: Wilderness First Aid
or... What do you do when the 911 guys aren't coming.
Here's the situation. You are 2 days from the trail head, over Hell for
Sure Pass (it really exists) and 10 map miles from the nearest
backcountry ranger station. For some reason, the batteries on your
communicators died, and they were your spare set to boot (I know, be
prepared, and all that, but some times those pesky things just don't
work, and this is one of those times ;^) ). Two of your experienced
scouts are bouldering, and one falls 15 feet, sustaining multiple
injuries (busted arm, squashed pumpkin, it doesn't matter). Are you
prepared to cope with this? What courses did you take to become
Here's my beef. I'm a Physician Assistant and a Nurse Practitioner,
usta be an EMT, a Navy Corpsman with plenty of experience in the field
with the USMC, so I'm reasonably comfortable that I would know what to
do, yet the situation above frightens me.
I just sat in on a Red Cross Community First Aid class with some of my
explorers. The course was good, but did not answer the question, "What
do you do when the 911 guys aren't coming." The explorers voiced this
concern also. This is the course taught at our Council HQ, and
recommended by the High Adventure Team as being minimum standard for
going into the bush.
My concern is that I don't think this is enough, but i am not certain
what is... enough. I am developing a course that will answer the what
do you do question, but don't really want to reinvent the wheel if there
is something currently available that does not cost an arm and a leg. I
took a "Winderness First Aid" class that was very, very good, and very
expensive... $250 and 2 weekends. You need at least the 2 weekends to
become proficient in this stuff, but the $250 is kinda steep.
What do you guys use? Who teaches it? How much coes it cost? How
often do you re-train? What is taught?
SM T319 AA P319
La Mesa, CA
I used to be a Bobwhite.
"To taste the full flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for
monks." - Lazurus Long
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