Re: Wilderness First Aid
Gary Piper (GRPiper@MSN.COM)
Sun, 11 May 1997 18:15:33 UT
Great topic for discussion. When I first started taking scouts into the
backcountry I did not even think of the potential problems and what I as the
GUIDE had to be ready for. We scoutmaster do not think of our selves as the
backcountry GUIDE, but we are by default.
Remember that first aid in the city is usually care for 15 to 30 minutes.
That is the primary thing Red Cross is preparing the student to handle. The
Red Cross course has no intent on providing training for long term (one to two
days) care. We need a better way to get more scoutmasters trained properly.
I took a Wilderness Medicine 1 offered by Wilderness Medicine Outfitters 2477
Country Road 132, Elizabeth, Colorado (303) 688-5176. They offered three
different courses depending on time and money. There top course is a
Wilderness EMT course that many professional guides take (lots of time and $).
The course I took was 16 classroom hours and 8 field day hours and cost
$115.00. When I get the time (1 week in Elizabeth) I will take the full
The problem with this type of course is that you really need all the knowledge
that the full courses offer to be qualified for long term care when in the
back country. Carl Weil does not like teaching the short course, but
understands that some education is better than none.
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Subject: Wilderness First Aid
or... What do you do when the 911 guys aren't coming.
Here's the situation. You are 2 days from the trail head, over Hell for
Sure Pass (it really exists) and 10 map miles from the nearest
backcountry ranger station. For some reason, the batteries on your
communicators died, and they were your spare set to boot (I know, be
prepared, and all that, but some times those pesky things just don't
work, and this is one of those times ;^) ). Two of your experienced
scouts are bouldering, and one falls 15 feet, sustaining multiple
injuries (busted arm, squashed pumpkin, it doesn't matter). Are you
prepared to cope with this? What courses did you take to become
Here's my beef. I'm a Physician Assistant and a Nurse Practitioner,
usta be an EMT, a Navy Corpsman with plenty of experience in the field
with the USMC, so I'm reasonably comfortable that I would know what to
do, yet the situation above frightens me.
I just sat in on a Red Cross Community First Aid class with some of my
explorers. The course was good, but did not answer the question, "What
do you do when the 911 guys aren't coming." The explorers voiced this
concern also. This is the course taught at our Council HQ, and
recommended by the High Adventure Team as being minimum standard for
going into the bush.
My concern is that I don't think this is enough, but i am not certain
what is... enough. I am developing a course that will answer the what
do you do question, but don't really want to reinvent the wheel if there
is something currently available that does not cost an arm and a leg. I
took a "Winderness First Aid" class that was very, very good, and very
expensive... $250 and 2 weekends. You need at least the 2 weekends to
become proficient in this stuff, but the $250 is kinda steep.
What do you guys use? Who teaches it? How much coes it cost? How
often do you re-train? What is taught?
SM T319 AA P319
La Mesa, CA
I used to be a Bobwhite.
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