Gary Piper (GRPiper@MSN.COM)
Sat, 10 May 1997 12:31:02 UT
Thank you for your insight. I was the victim of some of thoughts tactic, when
I was a scout 30 years ago, and know they can hurt. I went to Catholic School
taught by nuns. They tried to get me to over come learning disabilities by
public humiliation. Thank God we know better today. Thank God for spell check
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From: Scouts-L Youth Group List On Behalf Of Everett Holm
Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 11:19 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L
Subject: Re: Humiliation
Yes, but you are talking 1939 and this is 1997. Sorry what I said applies.
In my council, if you were to promote any type of 'public humiliation' with
a young Scout, whether it be such as the sheath knife incident that started
this thread, being made to sing squirrel, teapot, peanut butter, etc. to
get a lost item back. Being made to go look for a left handed smokeshifter,
skyhook or bringing the Scout on a snipe hunt. It is treated as a case of
abuse. Upon reporting and before any investigation, you would more than
likely be asked to leave camp immediately and the incident would be
reported as is required to the Scout Executive. After reporting to the
Scout Executive, he would follow the guidelines he has regarding cases of
abuse. You can't say you were not warned as this is all covered in the
leaders meeting Sunday within hours of arrival at camp and is covered in
our youth protection training programs before we ever get there.
Unfortunately, I know of one good Scouter who is now on the excluded list
because of such an incident and they will not be allowed to work with the
Scouting program for the rest of their lives.
While it would be great if every young individual had high self-esteem and
pride in themselves. However, when doing these types of things, while we
may know ourself is not lacking in pride or self-esteem, you cannot be
judge, jury and executioner whether the young Scout/child is similarly not
lacking in pride or self-esteem. This is the reason it is considered a form
Sorry, but that's how it is this decade.
At 03:30 PM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm sure what you say applies to a number of people but, speaking for
>myself, I don't think it applies to those of us who are not lacking in pride
>and self-esteem. Although I have disappointed myself, no one has ever
>humiliated me - and I fell for all the tricks back in 1939. Either play
>right along with the perpetrator or turn the tables on him; the first knocks
>the wind out of his sails and the second is a knockout.
>Just say "yes, sir, that was very dumb of me but it's not as dumb as when
>you (invent something)", and they'll laugh him off the floor or, beat the
>snipe hunters back to the campsite - I did.
>It's seldom the size of the dog in the fight that matters - it's the size of
>the fight in the dog.
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