Re: Webelos BOR
GG Jenner (sdj@WHY.NET)
Mon, 5 May 1997 02:37:46 -0500
I'm going to put my 2=A2 worth in here ------
>>For many, the program has become some kind of hybrid that is neither fish
>>nor fowl. To repeat, Webelos is a Cub Scout program and not some amalgam
>>of Boy and Cub Scouts.
Webelos has ALWAYS been intended as the TRANSITION program from Cubs (Wolf,
Bear, & 'Lion') to Boy Scouts. [SEE: "The Golden Anniversary Book of
Scouting" copyright 1959 page 64] Award earned at that time looked like
And later --- [Quoting from: "History of Cub Scouting" copyright 1987 page 3=
"..., Cub Scouting's National leaders in 1967 introduced a thorough
revision of Cub Scouting to offer greater variety in advancement
opportunities. Entirely different achievements and electives were created
for boys working on the Wolf and Bear badges, the Lion rank was dropped,
and Webelos Scouting was established for 10-year-olds.
...... In addition, Webelos Scouts aimed to earn the Arrow of Light, Cub
Scouting's highest award, by passing tests designed to prepare them for
entry into a Boy Scout troop..."
In Carolyn Soto's book "The Boy Scout" [copyright 1987, page 28], she
brings out the points that the boy graduates into a Webelos den and is
"called a Webelos Scout rather than Cub Scout". She goes on to talk about
the change in uniform [from blue to brown shirts] displaying a new status
and that instead of parents signing off requirements that it is now the WDL
who signs them.
By the time a boy is 10 years old his "world" has changed from very
dependant on parents to starting to show self reliance. He is now required
to have WDL rather than parent sign off requirements (BS - SPL or SM signs
off requirements). He now is earning Activity pins (BS - the old Skill
And he is now encouraged to have one or two overnight campouts with the WDL.
IF the WDL had done a good job with the boys, by the time the boys have
earned AOL they are READY to be a Boy Scout.
>Many here feel a BOR for Webelos does not help the Webelos or the Scouting
>Program, yet I have done a very modified version of the SM conference and
>BOR with my Webelos with very positive results from the boys and parents.
>It's not for all Dens and in fact only leaders with BOR experiance would
>understand any advantage to given it to Webelos.
A Committee Chat (mock BOR) with the boys (before AOL) would be a useful
tool in finding out what the boys liked or didn't like during their time in
Cubs. It would give the boys an opportunity to have to deal with other
unit adults while still in a 'comfortable' environment instead of the
'strange new world' of the scout troop.
>The problem comes from the methods and intentions of the activity. Tom's
>pack didn't no why they were doing BOR. For them it was a Pack tradition.
>Tradition is OK when there is positive purpose and understanding behind it
>but NOTHING in Scouting or in life for that matter should be done without a
>positive meaningful intention behind it.
Our troop welcomes any parent or adult scouter to sit in on a BOR. They do
not ask the questions or have any vote but it educates them as to what is
expected of their boys.
>>It does a kid no good what so ever to introduce him to Boy Scouts'
>>beauracracy ahead of time.
Last year I saw boys come in for Tenderfoot BOR who were so scared that
they could barely talk and one boy actually got sick because of the stress.
This could have easily been avoided if there had been a mock BOR at some
>My experience shows otherwise. If a Scout is burned out from Cub Scouting
>and doesn't know the difference between Cubs and Boy Scouts, you will loose
>him. Give him some insight to Boy Scouts however and you give him a reason
>to finish Cub Scouts to get to the FUN STUFF. I have one Webelos that has
>talked about nothing else except Boy Scouts since our SM conference. My
>goal with the SM conference and BOR was to help my Webelos feel good about
>themselves in the Den and get them excited about Boy Scouts next year.
BTW this is called dangling the carrot in front of their nose 8-> Why do
you think they have mechanical rabbits that race in front of the
It gives them a 'goal' to look forward to and attain.
>Problem is how much Boy Scouts insight and experiance do you give the
>Webelos to wet his appetite without giving him that "been there done that
>attitude". You won't know if you don't go and find out. Scouts_L has helped
>me a lot here
My son has gone along on troop campouts since first going into Webelos [ie
dad is CC and emergancy transport] with 20+ d/n camping in first year.
Rule was NO cooking or fire building as you aren't a BS. His first
in-the=3Dtroop campout he wanted to be cook and firebuilder for every meal!
>A few years ago 50% of the Webs in our Pack didn't even considered joining
>Boy Scouts. We decided to change that trend with a changed attitide
>torwards the boys and our Webelos program. We gave them a program that
>matched their maturity and we quit treating them like Bears and Wolves.
>In the last three years, 100% of our Webelos crossed over into Scouts with
>90% still there. Almost all the Webelos leaders are either SMs or ASMs.
Last year of 14 boys brought into the troop (from 2 different packs), there
are 2 boys still active with our troop and one with another troop. They
weren't prepared for what Boy Scouting is about. The 12 we brought in Feb
from our pack have done Readyman with Scouts as teachers, have been out
visiting troop campouts, and have been prepared to become Boy Scouts. One
boy has moved but 7 boys have already made Tenderfoot and lack the swim
test to get 2nd class. The Webelos leaders of this group became the ASMs
for the two new patrols!!
>Many good leaders are always trying new ideas, trying to improve his/her
>program for the boys. This requires trial and error, success and failure.
>Now you can asked experienced leaders for their opinions and ideas but you
>still end up going into some uncharted territory. I thinks this applies to
>all areas of Scouts. I know for a fact this is where we got the much
>improved Tiger program last year.
On this note - where do you think Cub Day Camp came from???? When the
changes were made in 1967, National found that about 50 councils had
developed a summer day camp program for their boys on their own.
Professionals were sent to evaluate and gather more information the next
summer from these camps, from this they developed and authorized Cub Day
I do know that Tigers (in a nutshell) was one group's idea; that spread to
council; which sent it to National; which authorized trial in 5 other
councils. What the trial areas have developed is still far above what
National is distributing, so keep watching for further developments <[:-)]
>As a CM I had to try many new ideas to keep Den leaders from burning out,
>get more adults involved and maintain a FUN atmosphere for the boys. I'll
>bet we have tried a 100 different way to make selling popcorn more fun. We
>always encourage new ideas. Most worked, and some didn't but our Pack now
>has the highest ratio of boys in scouts of all the schools in our district.
=46or those still with this, sorry to be so long winded but was trying to
cover all the points (and educate). And for being slow on posting this but
ASM Troop duties had to come first 8->
BTW - How about passing on the ideas about building sales on popcorn as
these boys need to build up money for camp!!
YIS ---- Ginger
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