Re: BSA Chief Executive busted
H. Alan Schup (aschup@WHY.NET)
Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:59:57 -0500
I do not want to perpetuate a word war on SCOUTS-L. Next time please send
This posting is not for political reasons, and I thought about answering it
only in private EMAIL due to it not being Scouting related, but I thought a
reply was needed since the flame was sent on SCOUTS-L and is dangerously
wrong. Please forgive me for putting this on SCOUTS-L. All other replies
I have received has been on Private EMAIL, and people need to see the
unbiased truths after that posting.
>> Good people do not commit crimes with guns, but use
>> the guns to protect themselves from becoming another criminal victim deat=
>> (around 1.5 million crimes per year nationwide are prevented by the show =
>> lethal force without a shot being fired).
>Whoops! Where did THAT statistic come from? Self-reporting of a
>non-incident? Sounds like an NRA recruiting brochure.
It comes from the nationally-renown Congressional expert witness on Crime,
Gary Kleck, Criminologist, University of Florida. Sure, once the report
was published, the NRA quotes from it. Also "Crime, Deterrence, and
Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns" by John R. Lott, Jr., School of Law,
University of Chicago, and David B. Mustard, Department of Economics,
University of Chicago did a massive study and found "Using cross-sectional
time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing
citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to
produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not
have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992,
approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate
assaults would have been avoided yearly... The estimated annual gain from
allowing concealed handguns is at least $6.214 billion."
>I'm not sure how many crimes are deterred by show of lethal force (and
>suspect there are no reliable statistics from an impartial source on the
>matter), but I DO know that when shots are fired, MANY more gun owners
>and innocent bystanders are killed and injured by the gun owners' own
>weapons than they manage to injure or kill criminals.
You are totally wrong according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, the
U.S. Dept of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, and the U.S. Bureau
of Health Statistics. Call 1-800-732-3277 for a copy of the "Sourcebook"
published by the government. Also get a copy of the study mentioned above.
I feel bad about putting this here on SCOUTS-L. Please forgive me for
answering this in public on SCOUTS-L, but I feel that the damage caused by
the previous post needed to be addressed. Please reply in private if you
have questions on the topic of gun safety and crime statistics.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City