Re: WHich requirements to follow
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:09:41 -0400
At 11:14 PM 4/26/97 -0800, Dean Hayes wrote:
>My BS Handbook from 1970. Sixth printing of the Seventh edition has
>cooking as one of the required merit badges for eagle (OK more than 20
That's why I wrote it the way I did. Originally I didn't remember ANY time
when cooking was required but then I went back and checked in my vast
resources and realized that it HAD been required and that it probably was
removed when the "improved" (that's what it was called) Scouting program was
introduced. It has not been required since. I also have heard nothing
about it coming back as required, except on this list. Personally, I think
that those (not necessarily here) who are making those comments are more
likely engaging in wishful thinking.
>The next edition (1972)introduced the skill awards (yech) and we were given
>the choice to continue on with the old program or switch over to the new.
>This is the program where Camping merit badge was removed from the Eagle
>requirements. The Scout badge was added (Joining requirements). You
>actually had to earn a merit badge to progress to Tenderfoot and you had to
>earn the First Aid merit badge to get to First Class. It took 24 merit
>badges to get to Eagle. It was also possible to go from being a new scout
>to eagle without ever cooking a meal outdoors or ever going camping. In
>other words, national took the outing out of scouting and made it much more
>difficult to make it.
It is interesting how perspectives differ and change over time. You say
that the changes in 1992 made it much more difficult to earn Eagle yet, at
the time, MOST of the comments coming from those involved in the program
(primarily the adults) was that they had begun giving Eagle away, in spite
of the increased number of merit badges (which only reflected the fact that
you needed to earn one each for Tenderfoot, Second Class and First Class,
the number "after First Class" remained the same.) The screaming was loud
and long about how they had destroyed the program and removed any necessity
for the outing in Scouting.
But, there were many adjustments in that program in the first few years.
They added camping mb back as required. They added camping and cooking
skill awards as required, and they slowly removed the merit badges that were
required for the first three ranks, while returning to 21 for Eagle. Much
of that "improved" Scouting program has been acknowledged by those at
national (including the volunteers who really ARE national) to have been a
mistake and we have come a long way back to where things were before 72.
>I got involved with scouting as an adult in 1995 and found some of the
>advancement software allowed for tracking scouts still on the 'old' program
>(The new one for us in 1972) and the new one where the skill awards were
>repealed. Once again, it looks like there were given.
The changes back were made in 1989-90 so it is only now that you are
reaching the point where you will no longer have any Scouts who could have
earned skill awards. Therefore, the need to track them.
What was interesting in 1989 was that even though the changes were very much
a regression back to the pre 1972 type of requirements, there was almost as
loud a hue and cry this time about how they were destroying the program and
making things easier BECAUSE they were eliminating skill awards.
The ultimate point, I guess, is that people are always comfortable with what
they know, and ANY change will be viewed as negative.
>My question: What to do with the minor changes brought in 9/95? New
>requirements were added to Tenderfoot and 2nd class first aid.
I think that they specifically do NOT give specific guidance on minor
changes like that so as to allow each unit to deal with them in the way that
they feel is best. Certainly, anyone joining after those "outdoor illness"
requirements were added to the requirements would have to do them. I think
that ALL Scouts should be taught them anyway, so whether you require those
who had already achieved rank to be "tested" on them is really somewhat
moot. We did NOT go back and require someone who already had that
requirement signed off to do the added items, even if they had not achieved
the rank, but I don't think there would have been any problem had we done so.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City