Re: Webelos BOR
John Holladay (JNH@MSG.TI.COM)
Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:04:05 -0500
Let me add some comments to the attached listing, which I think is
great. I have worked with amny new boys coming into our troop from
Webelos and I see the same thing in each and everyone of them. Even
though they have come from many different packs and most had different
1. Some of their Pack/Den leaders & parents assure us how ready for
Scouts their boys are. They know camping, oath & Law, knots, etc.
2. When working with the boys this isn=92t the case. They don=92t
remember much of the things their leaders said they did - down to the
square knot. A point, I was once told that if I tie the same knot eight
times in a day I will remember it - if not exactly true it does get the
point across. Tying a square knot once doesn=92t mena you=92ll remember =
Each program (Cubs, Webelos, Scouts, Explorers) must stand on its own.=20
Getting Webelos prepared for Scouts is not done by giving them something
that is not in the Webelos program. It=92s not done by trying to teach
them skills that they should learn as Scouts. Webelos has a set purpose
and that=92s what need to be done.
Here=92s some points to ponder, do with them what you will.
1. The troop they join may do the skill different than what you teach
2. We in the troops (I assume some others see the same thing I do)
a new boy who tells me he knows how to camp, cook, use a knife, etc and
doesn=92t need to learn any more. Some are bull headed about it.
a. First off he doesn=92t know how to do any of this - nor
do many of
the Cub leaders who join us (good hearted and great people but need help
in buying the righ tsleeping bag/etc). Just for example, there are
different types of camping. Most Webelos go car camping with some
facilities near by. Our troop does car camp but lean towards
backpacking. It=92s a rare weekend when we can find running city water
nor the luxury of certain facilities. Interesting when the new kid
comes up and asks where the bathroom is an you point to the trees.=20
Actually, how many know the real answer to that question when asked of
b. Some boys who think they know it all become bored
before we even
start. Then we have to beg them to give it a try for a few months, They
thing they have been there and done that and don=92t need to do it again.=
It is hard to over come the occasional =93I know it why do I need to be i=
Scouts=94. Again, when asked to do the skill they can=92t even come clos=
3. Many troops are fully boy lead (all should be - we=92re real
Thus it makes it doubly hard on a 12 year old teaching a new Scout the
very basics. Even the 13-15 years olds have a problem. Some of the
older Scouts have had years of experience over coming the teaching of
the Weblos leaders.
Sorry if I hit any nerves, but I doubt that very many know the
difference between the blue and red tabs. Many seem to think that the
red tab is just an extension of the blue. Not so. In truly boy run
troops you will never seen an adult putting up a tent for a boy. Never
see an adult cooking for a boy. And rarely see an adult teaching a
boy. the boys aren=92t hanging around their fathers, they are hanging
around their patrols. Boy Scouts is a world where a boy teaches a boy
and they both become better men because it.
Please, I=92m not saying derogatory things about Webelos leaders. You
folks are doing a great service for the boys in your charge. Please
keep it up, but before you try to branch you Webelos program into the
land of the red tabs, go learn one heck of a lot more.
You know if you know it all you have no need to learn anymore, just ask
any teen ager. But for guys like me, I got hundreds of life times of
learning to go.
John =93Doc=94 Holladay
ASM T1000, Plano, Tex
usta be a Buffalo
By the way, the real answer from a ASM to the quesiton is =93You need to
ask your patrol leader, he can help you with a lot of things=94.
Take it easy. Chill out! As Bob Rosebrough said the Cub Scout/Webelos
Program is great and can stand on its own. Enough with BORs for Webelos
Scouts. Sounds like a LOT OF PEOPLE NEED TO GO TO Cub Basic Training
again. Think about it.
Lydia Pourciau mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
Cub Roundtable Commissioner URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~pourciau
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