Mike Walton (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:25:01 -0500
George Crawl corrected my posting on Philmont...I'm glad he did!!
>I hate to correct the inimitable Mike Walton regarding Philmont,
>where his description was 99% correct, but there were three small
>Waite Phillips was not an owner/founder of Phillips 66 (his
>brothers were). He did make his money in oil in Oklahoma though.
Thanks. Every time I look at the Phillips 66 gas sign (back home,
that is :( ), I still associate that with Philturn Scout Ranch, the
original name for Philmont Scout Ranch and Center.
>Philmont does not run a Boy Scout summer camp for the Great
>Southwest Council (where it is located), they have their own camp
>near Chimayo, NM. Philmont does have a program for Scout age
>boys who come to the Training Center with their parents.
Its called Rayado Men, right?? (I may have the spelling wrong!)
>Philmont usually hosts one to three local council Wood Badge
>training courses each summer at the Zastro Camp, the historic
>Wood Badge training site (since Wood Badge 8 in 1949 or 1950).
>This year the only course is hosted by Conquistador Council (and
>six other councils) from August 16-23. While all Wood Badge is
>by invitation, if your local council's course does not fit your
>needs, you can come to the Philmont course with your local Scout
>Executive's approval. Since I happen to be serving on this
>year's course, I can explain more details for those who may be
>interested in 1997 or 1998.
I've re-posted the information in hopes that those collecting
Wood Badge information will take note of it, George. From what
I've heard, it's a SUPER Wood Badge course for those that cannot
or choose not to attend their Councils (or a nearby Council's)
Wood Badge course!!
Hey George....it's always that 1 percent that'll git you!!
*hehehehee* Thanks also to you, Hugh and Cliff for the piggybacks
onto my posting answering Mike's question from Canada!
This demonstrates two IMPORTANT elements for those of you sitting
out there, with the answers to Mike's question but thinking that
"I'll just sit, watch and see the answers...". First, there's
NO ONE PERSON that has ALL of the answers to EVERY question here.
Our answers are collected by GROUP, which includes new people,
experienced people, and those of us somewhere in the middle. So, no
matter if it's a small point or important "add-ons" like George's,
YOU ARE NEEDED, WANTED and please CONTRIBUTE in any way you feel.
The other element is that we would LOVE to believe that we
Americans have the "end run" on Scouting or other youth programs.
We don't, and youth programs and the problems that they create take
on an truly international flavor. This string started because
someone in Canada was unaware of many aspects of our Scouting
program just over his border; imagine if you will, someone reading
our postings from Italy or Gabon, where Scouting there is a more
localized matter and not the "corporate imaging stuff" that occurs
here in the USA (and in some other nations). Please take the extra
line or two and EXPLAIN some of the USA's-specific "differences" to
the rest of us. Not only will those with programs OUTSIDE of the
BSA or the GSUSA will appreciate and speak a quiet "thank you" to
their monitors, but those INSIDE the program that perhaps are not
"up to crusing speed" will do the same because "Hey!! They
remembered that *I'm* new...and they didn't LEAVE ME OUT!"
Those two things, along with the the tenor and pacing of our list,
makes it enjoyable for EVERYONE to read, contribute and share.
Ira's posting to all of us concerning the way that his local
Council handled a situation reminded me of what was written in the
WELCOME letter everyone recieved: We would like to feel that the
Boy Scouts of America and the Girl Scouts of the USA (the two
groups predominately represented here on a daily basis) are equal
across the board, everywhere you may be. They are not, and we've
explained in the past some of those inequalities.
However, they still remain your PRIMARY "resource point" to go to
with issues and problems that you or your may have. They are
staffed with LOCAL people, volunteers and a small professional
core, which can and should resolve most local issues and problems.
However, they too, are human and information flow sometimes don't
reach them. That's part of this list's reason for living: to
address and reach out and help with those issues and problems which
occur over "local boundaries" or which occur in more than one
locality over time. Please don't let this list come between you
and your local organization; use their resources, and if they are
open-minded, share what you've learned here with *them*. A lot of
new long-term friendships have emerged over time from the simple
sharing of a tip, an idea, a way of doing things "better" someplace
else which could be applied "in our neck of the woods".
And if, for some reason, you're NOT getting the answers you're
seeking, PLEASE POST HERE and let us ALL help you out. As Ira has
seen, there's more than one person on here "tracking" along with
him and between several "heads", a suitable answer comes out to
Ira, I'm NOT picking...I was using your particular situation as an
example, a positive example, of how this list has helped other
Scouters in the past (and how we will continue to help others). But
let's exhaust the local resources first (and it sounds like you
have done so, not to your or your unit's satisfaction)!
Finally, many of us refer to all of us collectively as "Scouters".
To those of you within an organized Scouting program, you have no
problem with that; to some others, that do not belong to a national
youth program, you've expressed some concern (at least to me) about
"folk addressing me that way". As I've explained to those
Scouters, we use it as an endearing name, like "brother" or
"sister" in a church setting, or like "citizen". We are NOT out to
"convert you" in any way, its just that we've had to settle on one
"standard greeting", and it just happens that "Scouter" was the
overall preferred "greeting" (not to mention that the name of the
list IS, after all, "Scouts-L"! *grinning from ear to ear*). If
that's not acceptable, please give us another "optional name". I'm
STILL trying to get used to saying "professional Scouter" (with a
lower-case "p") instead of my favorite "career" Scouter", so I can
adjust. And as Jim Sleezer still lets me know, my signature IS
getting smaller as time goes onward! *broad grin*
This is GREAT!! Thanks again for contributing in this case and in
ALL of the many other cases, gang...let's keep it up!!
I am hoping that year SEVEN (yeah, Jon, it's been THAT LONG,
congrats to you and Doug "Lefty" for your SUPER leadership and
management!!) will bring an increase in the visiability, teamwork
and resource ability that this list has been known for (and
continues to be known for!). TWENTY separate "speciality groups",
mailing groups and four forums have been formed since 1990 in
various places on the Internet addressing some aspect of Scouting
or youth programs; many of them STARTED HERE as we started to
discuss an issue and people wanted to continue the discussion past
our "ten-day rule". That speaks well for the people here that YOU
have used as "additional Commissioners", "researcher" and "fact
finders". Your FRIENDS.
Your fellow Scouters around this "virtual fire" and "Roundtable
meeting" called Scouts-L!
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