Re: Camping Nights... what does your Troop count?
Jim McMaster (mcmaster@SWENG.STORTEK.COM)
Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:16:34 -0700
In message <199704021749.KAA17485@stortek.stortek.com>, Mike Dillon said:
> In our Troop, we count only those campouts attended with the Troop as a
> Scout. We feel that the purpose of this requirement is that each boy learns
> to camp as a Scout under the patrol method.
This depends on the context, in my opinion.
Tenderfoot requirement says:
2. Spend at least 1 night on a patrol or troop campout. Sleep in a tent you
have helped pitch on a ground bed you have prepared.
Second Class says:
2a. Since joining, have participated in five separate troop/patrol activities
(other than troop/patrol meetings), two of which included camping overnight.
First Class says:
3. Since joining, have participated in ten separate troop/patrol activities
(other than troop/patrol meetings), three of which included camping overnight.
Clearly, all three of these have to be done with the troop.
Camping merit badge says:
9. Show experience in camping by doing the following: |
a) Camp out a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights.
Sleep each night under the sky or under a tent you
have pitched. (You may use a week of summer camp as
part of the 20 days and 20 nights.)
Nowhere does it say that all (or any) of the 20 have to be with the troop or
patrol. You are adding a prohibited extra requirement.
I cannot talk about AO requirements...I think they require camping with the
troop, and at least one summer camp, but I do not have a reference available.
> One camp we do count that some may not is the Camporee that the boys
> with the troop as Webelos. As part of our recruitment effort, we invite the
> Webelos on the fall Camporee before they cross over. We justify this because
> they attend as Scouts, in uniform and act as a patrol.
All Boy Scout requirements can *only* be fulfilled while the boy is a
registered member of a Boy Scout troop. Activities done as Webelos should not
count. Whether they are acting as a patrol is irrelevant. I think you are
> We had a situation were our ex-Scoutmaster used to bring his younger son
> along on camping trips. When the boy joined, he wanted those camping dates
> to count toward Second and First Class outings. We refused because he did
> not attend as a Scout but as the Scoutmaster's son.
Same rationale as above. This should not count.
> A point that I would like clarified is whether a camping trip can count for
> both Second or First Class outing and Camping Merit Badge. I've always felt
> they could. Recently an article in "The Duffle Bag", the Greater St. Louis
> Council's newsletter, the Council Advancement Chairman said they couldn't.
> He reasoned that according to BSA regulations you can't count any
> project/activity for more than one a requirement. Most people I've
> say he is wrong. My TroopMaster software counts it for both.
See the camping requirement above. There is no reason these camping trips
should not count. The book says "total of 20 days and 20 night"...period. It
does not add "other than the nights used for Tenderfoot, Second Class and
First Class." If that is what BSA wanted, they could easily have added those
> Mike Dillon, Advancement Chairman
All these are my opinions, and worth every cent you paid for them ;-).
SM Troop 70
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