Mike Walton (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:31:55 -0500
Mike Audy asked about Philmont, and I'm surprised that someone
hasn't answered him and the 22 others that are waiting for the
answer here!! *grinning*
You have the answer one-quarter of the way answered:
>One question, though: What is Philmont?
>>From comments, it appears to be a camp? with lots of possible
> adventurous hikes?
>How close am I?
>Can someone let me know more, such as location, cost, approximate
> times, etc.?
Waite Phillips (of Phillips Petroleum fame --Phillips 66) donated
the initial land at the foot of one of the offshoots of the Rocky
Mountains in New Mexico to the Boy Scouts of America well over 50
years ago. The BSA has been developing that land and more land
that it has bought as the premiere outdoor adventure ("high
adventure") base in the United States. Philmont Scout Ranch.
Philmont is a longterm camp, with several options that others here
can tell you more about. The lenghts of the camps range from ten
days to three weeks...most are 12 days, more or less. Groups come
to Philmont and get either a "customed-designed trail plan" or the
standard trail plan.
Philmont also has nearby a regular summer camp operation, which
operates for the local Council which the national camp is located
within. It's summer camp operation not unlike any other local
Council's summer camp operation.
Philmont is also one of the three "national test beds" for the
BSA's supply equipment and the people using them. A Junior Leader
Training Camp is held there each summer, whereby the BSA invites
Senior Patrol Leaders and other youth leaders from local Councils
to spend eight days learning leadership skills that they take back
and teach their fellow Scouts. At the same time, new uniforms,
hats, and equipment are introduced to them, field tested and
The same thing takes place for the many adults that come to
Philmont's National Training Center, which is located near the base
camp of the facility. There, like the Scouts, Scouters receive
training and coaching from this nation's "best and brightest"
volunteers and professionals, keyed to their role within the
Scouting program in America and how they can turn around and train
their counterparts in their local Council and in many cases, in
adjacent ones. New programs, techniques and training courses are
"field tested" on them first, fine-tuned to "play in Peoria" or
anywhere else. Many of the Scouters that attend those courses,
Mike, tell us when they come back that many times, thanks to THIS
list and the people here, they are well-ahead of their peers and
use and point to this resource as a good "pre-Philmont experience".
But it's NOTHING like Philmont. Not even close.
Philmont is also the site where some national meetings and
committee seminars take place, because it's cheaper to do it there
than just about any other place...the BSA owns and operates it all.
Finally, Philmont is the home to a national wildlife and outdoors
museum which is open to the public. The resources at the museum
are used by college students and others in the USA and around the
The costs associated with Philmont is steep compared to other
camps. There's also a difference between going to Philmont and the
other two outdoor adventure bases, and between going to Philmont
and going to summer camp somewhere. The Volunteer Training Center
and the Junior Leader Training Course are all by national invite.
There is also a Wood Badge course that is held there on some years,
but again, it's by invite only.
Philmont is a great place to take your family, your unit, yourself.
I have been there three times, but never to take the trail....
It's a SUPER place to go, and an excellent example of the very best
of the BSA's program and support!
Personally, I don't see why we don't have the Jamboree there....
I'm hoping that others can chime in on the particulars that I've
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City