Re: Unrelated Male on Pack Overnighter (long)
Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:10:13 +0000
You asked us for some advice and specifically:
>Just how well will a young man who is not related to a
>scout supervise that scout who is difficult in controlled situations, let
>alone in uncontrolled ones?
That really depends on the parent giving permission to "supervise" the
child and the ability and relationship between the child and the parent
attending. There are a lot of very responsible 18 year olds out there, and
some of them are even Scouts *broad grin*!!!
Whenever our best friends' children spend the night at our home, they are
told beforehand that they are expected to behave themselves and "mind
Mike and Jessi". Their parents have confidence in our parenting skills and
they know that their children interact with us well enough to have them to
spend the night. So, that 18 year old may well have developed a close
enough relationship with the Cub that things may go smoother than you
To be "on the safe side", ask the parent of the Cub to proivde you one of
those good-old fashioned permission slips, indiciating in writing that the
18 year old will be the "chaparone" for the Cub during the trip and will be
responsible in her absense for the behavior of the Cub. That should "let
you off the hook" legally (I'm NOT a lawyer, but I AM a parent, former
teacher and Sunday school leader, and that's what teachers, parents and
our Sunday School leadership asked from us.)
>What about 2-deep leadership (all of our parents are supposed to have
>viewed the Youth Protection parent's videos)?
Correct me if I'm wrong, Lorie, but doesn't the 2-deep leadership apply to
the registered leadership of the Pack and not neccessarily to the
child-parent relationship (unless of course, your local Council imposed
this as part of their application of the Youth Protection Program). If
your unit has a copy of the video, you can provide him a copy of it...he
may not watch it.
There's very little you can do for last-minute "replacements" for other
parents that send the "other parent" to go with the child, and they have
not viewed the tape, either....
>Since I am listed on the Tour
>permit, will I be liable if this scout jumps ship, harms another scout, or
>the boyfriend molests another scout?
You COULD be held liable if ome of those things happened, Lorie, but more
than normally, your UNIT and CHARTERED PARTNER ORGANIZATION would be held
liable way before you would. That's not the reason why they ask for a name
on the Tour Permit: the name is there so that if a parent needed to reach
the unit in an emergency, the Council's not trying fourteen different
people that may or may not be attending the activity. As long as you and
your assistants have taken the neccessary training, have conducted
yourselfs in accordance with local and state laws
and the Scout Law, and have done everything in your power to lessen or
attempt to eliminate the problem, you don't have to worry about "being held
> Maybe I am worrying too much, but there was a busdriver recently in
>our community convicted of pedophilia, he had been a scout leader years
>ago, and so that was plastered all over the papers (he was also a church
>youth leader, but that never made the headlines).
Just a little, Lorie....the vast majority of Scouting events and activities
goes off without a single problem, concern or cut finger or toe. There are
a few that cause concern, and when you examine the causes it's always come
down to someone not wanting to do things "the Scouting way" but " the way
that I remember it" or because someone feels that the unit is their own
private "kingdom" and they can "rule it anyway they want as long as
everyone's getting their awards and stuff".
If you are concerned about this kid's "shadow", ask the parent to provide
an adult over 21 or ask her if it would be okay for the Scout to skip the
Explain your concerns and that of the BSA's, that events be conducted
safely and without a hint of misconduct. Explain that your Pack and you
personally are trying to provide a good, family-oriented program for your
community...and that includes her family and her child.
> I am most worried about a scout being injured through carelessness.
We all worry about that, Lorie....the best thing I can offer is that you
need to have some faith in your Cubs and in the parents and leaders coming
with you. Again, the vast majority of Scouting events are fun, enjoyable
and the most trouble you"ll have is in having Scouts and some parents to
keep up with the group!!
Have a super time, Lorie and tell us how it went when you get back!!
I hope that I've helped calm your fears and concerns and that I've helped
to give you a little more confidence in the BSA's great YPP training and in
your best judgement as a mom, parent, and Scouter!
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