Re: Award knots and the medals they represent
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:09:10 -0500
At 10:41 PM 2/24/97 -0600, Russ Jones wrote:
>I concede that the Insignia Guide does not specifically say "thou shalt not"
>wear both the cloth patch and the metal pin-on award it represents.
But, I believe it USED to say just that. That was my point. Somewhere
along the line I remember the prohibition either being eliminated or
>However, it does say, on page 5, "Generally, when a cloth badge is worn, the
>metal one is not worn," and I can find no exception to this general rule
>anywhere else in the publication. Within the overall context of "every
>effort should be made to keep the uniform neat and uncluttered" (page 4), I
>think it would be a mistake to equate a lack of prohibition to wear both
>with permission to wear both at the same time.
Well, thanks for that reference. While not the one that I recall having
been in the book, it was one that I had overlooked. However, as you note,
it does say "generally" which clearly indicates that there are or could be
exceptions. I would contend that since adults are only supposed to wear the
actual medals at "formal" occasions, which tend to be few and far between,
it would be perfectly acceptable to wear the medals on these occasions, even
if you are also wearing the square knot. I have always felt that one way to
deal with this was, like someone else suggested, to pin the medal over the
knot. This will work if there is only one row of knots. Otherwise it
Now, if we are talking about a Scout who chooses to wear the medal all the
time he should not wear the cloth emblem for the same award. But, again, if
the wearing of the medal is only going to be occasional, then I believe they
could be worn together.
Remember, this is not the military where the "knots" are the ribbons which
are pinned onto the shirt, not sewn on, and thus can be removed when the
actual decorations are worn.
Bruce E. Cobern
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