Help with Cubs (loooong - sorry)
Stan Pope (StanDCmr@AOL.COM)
Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:32:36 -0500
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:14:03 -0500
From: Laurie Pierce <Laurie640@AOL.COM>
Subject: Help with Cubs (loooong - sorry)
I had previously posted as LaurieP@cyberbury.net, we changed back to the
*slow <g> service of AOL and somehow I lost my scouts list in the change.
You have all been generous in your help and suggestions in the past and I
find myself once agian seeking help, guidance and wisdom of den
leaders/cubmasters etc. once again.
I have previously posted regarding and received help on presentation of rank,
Tiger help etc. so some of you may remember me. My oldest received his Bear
Badge at our November pack meeting (and is the only child in the pack to
receive rank prior to the Blue and Gold tomorrow :-( ).
I am presently upset at the way things are going in our pack. I am aware I
am not the only person who is unhappy - and I also know appear to be one of
the only persons saying anything about it.
I have three sons aged 8, 7 (next month) and 2. I'm presently a (ha,ha)
Tiger Coach - (was told last week our pack isn't doing this correctly
either...- by very nice regional coach - she was encouraging). My oldest is
a Bear now and I have heard that his leaders *will be quitting after this
year... My second son is a Tiger and I'm so fed up with things I'm ready to
drop out myself - I *really am seeking *help and support again regarding
this. If I say anything out of line *please do tell me. (I am also working
with almost 20 boys in our pack on their Catholic religious programs -
another person had wanted to do this on her own - I had her set up with
training and the ball dropped and I just found out that no one was doing
anything about this by accident - ran into a committee person at the scout
I guess what I'm trying to say is - I am willing to help out and do the best
I possibly can to make scouting a memorable and enjoyable program for the
boys in our pack. I really didn't have any fun putting together the above
religious program in one week (and then have several kids call wishing to
participate after the fact - but I *did do the best I could).
In planning on becoming a Den leader next year for Wolves (and ending up
running our Tigers as a Den per say) I have purchased the Cub Scout Leader
Book and the book also on Belt Loops (yes, I also had asked why Tigers
couldn't - I understand now they aren't Cub Scouts :-) ). As a person who
loves to read I have read much of the leaders book and find that our pack
doesn't do many of the things in the book. All ranks are given out at the
Blue and Gold (if the boys have completed them by January). The Blue and
Gold is held as an award ceremony with hired entertainment - I can't say I
remember hearing one word last year of it being a *Birthday of Boy Scouting.
I have also purchased the Tiger Coach/Pack Book and the Activity Book for
Tigers - In it they suggest the boys should receive their Bobcat in May/June.
My Cubmaster is adament that there will be only *one Bobcat ceremony and
that will not be until Sept or Oct.... I had given her the books so she
could see how the Tiger program is/was to be run and she never looked at them
:-( . I had spoken with the parents in our den and we had thought running
some den meetings during the summer would be good. I had *thought if they
start their Wolf trail (I'm *hoping to grab the active Tiger parents and keep
them busy right along the trail) in June they would have June, July, August,
Sept and into October to complete there Wolf trail - therefore allowing them
to receive their rank at the November meeting. After that I *thought to work
on Arrow points (there are enough of them), and Belt loops - trying to have
parents volunteer to work on some of these projects with the den (i.e. dad
who likes to fish - work on Fishing Belt loop etc.). I also thought about
adopting an elderly *grandparent - who perhaps we could visit (maybe sing
some of those silly Halloween songs that were floating around last October).
I *do have lots of ideas to keep them busy.
>>Who exactly is supposed to decide when the boys receive their rank badges -
thought the leaders book was rather clear (first pack meeting after acheiving
The boys decide that by completing the requirement. Providing a prompt
ceremony that makes each recipient feel special is one of the Cubmaster's
highest callings. Prompt recognition of accomplishment is a fundamental
concept. The committee / committee chairman should strongly encourage that
behavior. (Not by threats, of course... the point is to encourage the CM to
do better... not to quit!) Knowing why the CM is so adamant may be the key
to changing his/her behavior. The CC is in a much better position to make
this determination and "effect a cure." (But, be careful, you already have
one or two jobs... you don't want to be CC too! )
Roundtable (should be a good resource)
Program helps (in Scouting mag or separately from your council's Service
>>How long do presentation ceremonies take for those of you who do mulitple
rank awards at pack meetings - are they really that time consuming?
NO! If he has earned it, he should get to wear it at the earliest
Does a ceremony have to be elaborate and last for a long time to be
Small "token" concepts such as lighting a candle or moving his totem to a new
place on a recognition board can be very meaningful, especially if the Scouts
get to do it.
In the hour that you spend in a pack meeting. could you possibly spend it
better than watching the boys conduct ceremonies and perform skits and
watching the boys receive their recognition. If you have more than 5 minutes
of announcements, then you have plenty of time to "trade in" for recognition
Stan Pope (Lilchpin Elangomat)
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