J. Hugh Sullivan (sull@MINDSPRING.COM)
Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:44:21 -0600
"Bruce E. Cobern" <bec@PIPELINE.COM> wrote:
Subject: Re: Response to:17 Eagles, one COH
I believe this is the first time Bruce and I have had opposing viewpoints. I
don't want to prolong the difference so I'll only try to make a few points.
>This is no different than the COH for tenderfoot or any other rank.
Very few have cake, punch and dignitaries for a Scout receiving tenderfoot.
Before age 18 Eagle is the highest rank in BSA - after 18 it is the only
rank. Even then it might get the job for you but it will not hold it.
>I have no idea where this notion that the troop SHOULD or MUST do whatever
the Eagle wants comes >from.
I believe you will agree that there is a vast difference between MUST do
what the Eagle wants and letting him choose between single/multiple
presentations and choosing the script. I know several Eagles who would not
have attended a single presentation.
>Does the Nobel laureate get to tell the Nobel commission how the
>presentation should be structured? Do the graduates decide how their
>diplomas should be presented? I think not.
Aren't you referring to presentations bound by tradition? The Nobel is an
annual presentation to a selectee; people go to school for 3 1/2-4 years and
get a degree. We don't select the top Eagle and less than 2% who enter
Scouting achieve Eagle rank.
>Somehow, the Eagle has developed this mystique all its own.
Only as it differentiates him from those who have not achieved as much - the
98%. We admire the people who have the credentials in almost every walk of life.
>What is necessary, mostly, is a dedication and commitment to see it through.
>That does not mean that an Eagle Scout has developed a better value system
>than his non-Eagle peers.
It does enable one to separate those who complete a task, once started, from
those who don't go the distance.
>It just means that they didn't make Eagle, either because they didn't have
the determination (preferably not) or because they made a conscious decision
not to try.
Isn't there always an excuse for "why not"?
>...aren't we sending some wrong messages about where the Eagle
>fits in with the rest of the advancement program?
The Eagle is the top of the BSA advancement program; what else can one say?
>That is why I am a firm believer, like Cliff Golden and some others on this
>list, that the best time and place for an Eagle COH is as the culminating
>presentation of a troop COH.
...when everyone has fallen asleep or did most get there 1 hour late? To use
your illustration, they don't present the Nobel after the Oscars and
diplomas are not awarded at halftime.
Fortunately I believe we can all have it our way - before, after, separate,
multiple - it's up to us. But, I happen to believe that life awards winners
more than participants.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City