Re: wilderness survival
hilding holroyd (hilding@BLUESTONE.COM)
Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:12:35 -0500
On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, hikin_ mama wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:15:02 -0500 Marc Grey <Arrowmen@AOL.COM> writes:
> >Dear Fellow Scouters,
> > I have a problem in my troop concening a merit badge counselor
> >who has passed a group of boys on the Wilderness Survival merit badge.
> >As the Scoutmaster I do not feel that these boys earned the merit badge
> >and I have refused to sign the blue card accordingly.. ....
> > Marc Grey
> You have your process backwards.
> The Scoutmaster is supposed to sign the blue card *before* a boy even
> goes to see a merit badge counselor. After that, the responsibility for
> signing-off lies with the merit badge counselor - not the Scoutmaster. -
> And as long as a person is an approved counselor for a merit badge, a boy
> can choose anyone he wants to counsel him - so the Scoutmaster can not
> even demand he use or *not use* particular counselors if they are
> registered for a merit badge.
> Signe Rogers
I have been Advancement Chairman for (too) many years. My process is as
1) a Scout approaches me expressing an interest in a Merit Badge
2) I give him a blue card (for those of you overseas - this is a card
by which the US Scouting program records that a Scout has worked
and completed a Merit Badge)
3) I tell him to fill in all the proper blank spots and take it to the
Scoutmaster to sign. This SM signature is on the front of the
card and expresses that the SM is satisfied that the Scout MAY
work on the badge.
4) The Scout returns to me for a name of a Merit Badge Counselor since I
am the keepr of the list. At this point, I filter out certain
counselors with whom I am not really satisfied regarding the
quality/quantity of the work they require. MB counselors are
"supposed to" have the Scouts do the requirements - no more &
no less. There are some counselors who I know do not have the
Scouts do a complete job on the badge. I tend to NOT send scouts
to those counselors.
5) The Scouts works on the badge with the MB counselor.
6) When the Scouts has completed the requirements, the MB counselor will
have signed the blue card and the Scout will give me the
remaining portions (the MB counselor keeps 1 part).
7) I record the advancement in my records and on an advancement sheet
which I send to the Council office.
8) I have the SM sign the card in the second place for the SM signature
which is on the portion which the Scout eventually gets back.
This is the portion to which Mr. Grey refers.
Either of the SM signature lines may be signed by ANY scout leader. We all
tend to use the SM for he is the "final" authority in the troop.
I have had only 1 time when the Scout presented a completed card and the
Troop Committee knew full well that he had not completed all requirements.
This was for the Camping MB and the requirement for 20 days & nights of
camping. We simply withheld the badge (we did not even send it into
Council) until that requirement was completed.
In the case of Wilderness Survival, I feel that I would tend to disagree
with Mr. Grey's stand. I also have had some Scouts work on this badge and
get rained out on their night in the survival shelter. Although I do not
like what Mr. Grey implied by stating that one of Scouts in question was
the couselor's son. I feel that if the Scouts spent part of the night in
the shelters, they certainly "satisfied the spirit, if not the letter" of
the requirement. Wilderness Survival is not an Eagle required MB and I do
not advocate being lax on the requirements just because of that, but I
would not hold back on the badge just because the Scouts got wet. I am
sure they learned that they had to build better shelters as a result of
Sorry for being long winded......
Hilding W. Holroyd Advancement Chairman
Jackson, NJ Troop 250, Lakewood, NJ
Eagle Class '68 Jersey Shore Council
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