Re: movie copyrights
golden cliff (c60clg1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU)
Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:51:16 -0600
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Tim Goncharoff wrote:
> ...If you rent a movie or record one off of your tv,
> and then show it to a group of scouts, you are violating the copyright.
> Sure, it's pretty common, and enforcement is tough, but people have been
> caught and fined, and then of course, there's the issue of modeling
> law-abiding behavior.
There's no admission charged and I'm paying the video store a fee.
Doesn't part of that fee go to the copyright holders? It isn't open to
the public, it is a private viewing by a private group.
If I own the video, is showing it to 20-30 Scouts a violation? What
about 6-10 Scouts?
> Movies you rent or tape can be shown only at home, to a small group of
> family and friends.
Does it have to be a private residence?
Do they define small group of friends? What if the group is small in
stature and considered friends? Is it just a small group of friends, or
can it be a group of small friends?
> ...If we want to use them, there are companies that rent films for
> that purpose, but the cost is typically in the hundreds of dollars. No
> exceptions are made for non-profits.
Ouch!! Our party is FREE to the boys. Pizza and pop cost enough.
These companies don't operate at local shopping centers. I would rather
pay the video store a "group viewing fee".
> I'm not a lawyer, just someone who got caught. Use caution, and consider
> the right thing to do.
More details please. It sounds like it might be a good story.
Tim, I appreciate your warning. You may be correct under the letter of
the law and due to your previous bad experience are trying to spare us
from a similar fate. I sincerely appreciate your effort.
I don't believe we are teaching the boys a disrespect for law-abiding
behavior. Especially since we don't know we're breaking the law. This
law seems very ambiguous.
I plan to continue with the showing of "Independence Day" at our Troop
Holiday Party. I doubt this will violate the social norms that bind our
If arrested, I will point to the Constitution where it says I have an
unalienable right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
Surely the last part of that sentence must pertain to holiday parties.
If that defense fails, then I will show the judge and jury a videotape of a
typical Scout meeting. That should set me up for an insanity plee.
Do they have e-mail in prison?
YIS, Cliff Golden
Scoutmaster Troop 33; DeKalb, Illinois
Three Fires Council BSA
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City