Re: Scout Problems
John Kasper (jkasper@NETTEN.NET)
Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:15:23 -0600
>Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:53:46 -0600
>To:Alan Jones <ALAN@SCOUTNET.NET.AU>
>From:email@example.com (John Kasper)
>Subject:Re: Scout Problems
>>> I am a Scout Leader. Plain and simple. I am not a nurse maid, a
>>>Doctor, or a shrink (I can't spell Psycologist). I do not have the time to
>>>spend with just one boy while the others go un-attended. With between
>>>30 and 80 boys on a campout or at a meeting, I refuse to baby sit some
>>>problem child. It is hard enough to teach the boys with out having to be
>>>a prison guard.
>>I am flabbergasted, utterly and totally floored, I thought Scouting was
>>aimed to promote friendship, understanding and brotherhood.
>>To be honest a leader like this in my Group would be an ex-leader -
>I must politely take the opposing view.
>Alan , Dismiss me please. I read Terry's message and thought I was
>listening to myself. Actually printed a copy. Being both a Scout Leader
>and a school teacher I see no one taking up for the 'good' kids. They
>joined the program with certain expectations and public and parent apathy
>typically gets the good kids far less than they deserve. These kids know
>it's lonely at the bottom of the heap and they do they're very best to
>drag other scouts down with them. Don't we have a duty to provide an
>enviroment where a Scout can succeed? This kid of Terry's troop or mine
>pushes his parents, teachers, and everyone else to the limit. He needs to
>learn there are people in life he can't push around and his Scout Leader
>had better teach him now. Wait till this kid tells a police officer what
>to do and where to go - What can we do for him them?
>>Sorry, this really gets to me, some kids just need a lot of understanding.
>Your right, he does need understanding. Terry likely doesn't have the
>support to give this scout the understanding he needs. I don't in my group
>I agree with you in the outreach aspects of Scouting. I often refer
>parents to learn the history of Scouting. Kids with broken families,
>problems, etc. are now considered normal and kids with the 'traditional'
>familily are abnormal. How long are your arms and how far can you reach
>out and to how many?
>Monte Kalisch wrote: >>Maybe that's why he needs your help. Giving up on
>>>one _Scout_ is still giving up. Those Scouts who are the most difficult,
>>> least understood, and most troubled have something GREATER to give to
>>>Scouting than those who are simple and easy. They teach us tolerance,
>>> acceptance, and persistence. And, Terry, just as astounding as it may
>>>sound, you may save his life.
>Everything that Monte says is true. While we don't know all the details
>about the person who Terry describes. I found out that the disrupter in my
>Troop acts just like his mother, gets positive support from his peers when
>he misbehaves and lives in a society where improving your life is
>discouraged. Frankley, his support group is bigger than mine and better
>trained. Again I'll agree that if the scout can be turned around it would
>be a beneficial situation for all. (If only we could get 'flesh eating
>virus' to eat cancer cells) But is this what you joined Scouting for?
All the things I'd like to do for this kids will never happen, he needs
shape up or ship out situations that I can't provide. It would be great for
him to go on a weekend survival trip (having one of those nice headaches
that you get after missing about 2 meals would do him a lot of good) How
about a nice backpacking trip. (sorry, you were busy disrupting the meeting
when the leader was explaning proper socks and footwear)
Don't get me wrong here. I do my best. I take my Scouts shopping and won't
let their parents do it for them. (usually takes 3 hours, to shop for one
patrol with this kid, he can't read well and math...) I counsel parents.
Make little Billy cook at home, we're teaching him here and he needs
practice. (of course, he'll bring a sack of 'his own' junk food on the
camping trip and Mom will buy it for him.)
Terry may not have the popular view, but I'm with him.
John Kasper | >>>--------> | firstname.lastname@example.org
Eagle of 1973 Scoutmaster T-415
Chickasaw Council - Memphis, TN USA
Camp Tallaha Aquatics Instructor
...and a good ole' Bobwhite too!
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City