Summer Camp Partials
Donald w Scruggs (DScruggs@CONCENTRIC.NET)
Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:40:21 -0500
> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:00:55 GMT
> From: "Bruce E. Cobern" <bec@PIPELINE.COM>
> Subject: Re: Time limit for MB's
> At 09:11 AM 11/25/96 -0600, Kathie Cerveny wrote:
> >National quite clearly states the boy does not have to redo any requirements
> >he has already signed off.
> Where does national say this quite clearly? Not in the Advancement
> Guidelines. It says partials are good until the Scout turns 18, but the
> national staff (TJ in particular) made it very clear that the final
> counselor is responsible for the ENTIRE mb. Therefore he has a right and an
> obligation to satisfy himself that the work was done. I think that this
> satisfaction would come from something less than having the Scout do all the
> requirements over again, but he can and should ask questions to satisfy
> himself that the work was actually done and where the Scout cannot so
> demonstrate would be perfectly within his rights to have it done again.
You are absolutely correct. The Merit Badge Counselor has the absolute
(according to NATIONAL) to satisfy himself or herself that ALL
are met to HIS or HER satisfaction INCLUDING repitition of
> >As a MB counselor for Env. Science, this is one
> >of my MAJOR pet peeves, as the boys invariably get the work done at summer
> >camp where they can simply shortcut the requirements,
> If your council is allowing them to shortcut the requirements at summer camp
> then you should be screaming loud, long and often. As stated above you
> certainly can make sure the requirements were done and any that the camp
> signed off which weren't done you should insist that they do for you. After
> all, YOU become the counselor of record and when the Scout makes a fool of
> himself it will reflect on you.
Here she is correct. If you read the official national requirements for
Env. Sci. you will find that the requirements are actually different
for those doing this at camp!!
> >and then come to me with one last thing to do.
> >However, there USED to be a time limit to finish partials (6 months). This
> >was changed not too many years ago.
> When? Where did it ever say there was a time limit on partials? Many
> councils did and still do make the statement, but for the 20 plus years that
> I have been dealing with advancement I can never recall seeing it in
> writing. What they did do was now put in writing, unequivocally, that there
> is not expiration, but that doesn't mean that there ever was one.
There was never (to my knowledge) any requirement to complete any
partial in six months or any other time limit. There was, however a
requirement in some councils to BEGIN (i.e. find a counselor and START)
working on any Summer Camp Partials within six months. I have seen this
in writing in summer camp guides issued by the National Capital Area
Council, although not recently.I don't think that is enforcable in view
of the new edict.
> Bruce E. Cobern
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