Re: Time limit for MB's
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:00:55 GMT
At 09:11 AM 11/25/96 -0600, Kathie Cerveny wrote:
>However, Michael, NATIONAL is in charge of the advancement requirements, and
>while your logic is great, the bottom line is that volunteers at the unit or
>district/council level (nor the execs) can not alter the requirements. The
>requirements as set by the national committee on advancement (see
>advancement guidelines, updated annually) is where these decisions are made.
>National quite clearly states the boy does not have to redo any requirements
>he has already signed off.
Where does national say this quite clearly? Not in the Advancement
Guidelines. It says partials are good until the Scout turns 18, but the
national staff (TJ in particular) made it very clear that the final
counselor is responsible for the ENTIRE mb. Therefore he has a right and an
obligation to satisfy himself that the work was done. I think that this
satisfaction would come from something less than having the Scout do all the
requirements over again, but he can and should ask questions to satisfy
himself that the work was actually done and where the Scout cannot so
demonstrate would be perfectly within his rights to have it done again.
>As a MB counselor for Env. Science, this is one
>of my MAJOR pet peeves, as the boys invariably get the work done at summer
>camp where they can simply shortcut the requirements,
If your council is allowing them to shortcut the requirements at summer camp
then you should be screaming loud, long and often. As stated above you
certainly can make sure the requirements were done and any that the camp
signed off which weren't done you should insist that they do for you. After
all, YOU become the counselor of record and when the Scout makes a fool of
himself it will reflect on you.
>and then come to me with one last thing to do.
>However, there USED to be a time limit to finish partials (6 months). This
>was changed not too many years ago.
When? Where did it ever say there was a time limit on partials? Many
councils did and still do make the statement, but for the 20 plus years that
I have been dealing with advancement I can never recall seeing it in
writing. What they did do was now put in writing, unequivocally, that there
is not expiration, but that doesn't mean that there ever was one.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City