Re: Re: ex-Eagle, can M.Walton Help?
Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:27:29 -0600
Ned posted to the list earlier:
> Nice to hear from you again! Hope all is going as well as it can
> for you. You alluded to these de-feathered Eagles once in the
> past. Can you fill us in? Seems like, with your range of
> experience and your eloquently-written posts, you would not be
> spreading urban myths.
Thanks for the kind words, Ned...
No urban myth here, Ned....since 1969, the BSA's National Executive Board
has removed the Eagle Scout Badge from nine individuals (this is according to
the official minutes of the National Executive Board proceedings, which your
Council Scout Executive can request). In all cases, it was after those former
Eagle Scouts have proved themselves unworthy of holding the Eagle Scout
Badge and status.
I believe that we compiled a listing of seven or so of those nine back in
93....I'll look back and see if I can find that string and repost it here if
cares...personally, just knowing that they can do this is enough for me...I
really care about those people (a selfish expression, but it's true). They
heinous criminals, convicted multiple child molesters, and serial killers.
asked for a listing, and the Eagle Scout Service doesn't release anything
but the fact
that indeed several former Eagle Scouts have had their badges revoked by action
of the BSA's National Exec Board.
Only the National Executive Board, not a local Council nor any one person,
can "take back" an Eagle's badge and rank.
What authority do they have to do this?? Simple. Take a look at the BSA's
Charter and Bylaws, and also within the Rules and Regulations (Kathie's
going to have to help with the specific locations within each, but I do know
in the Rules and Regulations, it's found in the first few pages). In both
Ned, the BSA asserts the right to withdraw any rank or badge or position at
any time (for any reason, that's NOT in there, but you get the idea).
> You also spoke of accompanying law enforcements officers to a
> home with a warrant to remove all Scouting-related materials from
> the home. Can you expand a little upon this incident?
In the early 80s, I had the "opportunity" to "tag along" with a member of
the Regional professional staff, the legal counsel, and two local
law-enforcement officers in a town not
too far from Nashville, Tennessee. The BSA, through the local Council, obtained
a court order demanding that any and all items in the possession of a convicted
child molestor (those in the middle Tennessee area probably recalls this
me) containing the BSA's indicia, as well as uniforms, insignia and books with
the BSA's copyright, be retrieved. This again, is because the BSA's Charter
for the return of any and all material containing such indicia upon demand
time by certified officials of the "Corporation".
The reasoning was that this person was using the Boy Scouts as a "come-on" for
boys he was molesting...even though he was not registered, he still was known as
a "Scouter" in this community, and had the "trappings" of a Scouter to "provide
the bait" for a period of time. When the local Council requested the
National in getting this guy to "cut it out", at first National didn't want
to get into
a local Council's situation....but eventually thought it through and decided
what they did.
The officers had a writ, signed by the County attorney (and also a Scouter),
requesting that all materials, uniforms, tentage, equipment, insignia and
publications which contain the BSA's official seal, the letters "BSA", "B.S.A."
or the words "Boy Scouts of America"; the single-color fluer-de-lis, or the full
color fluer-de-lis, as listed and illustrated in the "Corporation's"
returned to the official representative of the "Corporation" (BSA)...
The Councils' legal counsel was there to insure that only the BSA's property
returned and to explain what they were doing there. An inventory of all of
taken was performed and I understood a copy was provided to the person, although
I don't know that for a fact. I do know that every item taken had a BSA indicia
and there were some items, like tentage and a lantern, that remained behind
it did not have those "seals" on it.
One of the things I never noticed until this time was the fact that for a
the Skill Award belt loops did NOT have a BSA indicia on them, because they
picked up some but not all of the packages of skill awards...only those that
outline of the BSA's fleur-de-lis was collected...those that did not, even
were identical on the front, were not collected. The indicia is found on the
side on one side of the belt loop near the center.
The same thing goes for the patches. Some of this person's patches had a
they collected them, while others stated the District's name and Camporee
but didn't say "BSA" or have the one-color (usually gold or yellow) emblem.
were clearly BSA patches, but without the "trademark", they could not
them. I felt very unconfortable being there, and went back to the car after
hour or so of observation. I was not allowed to say anything, which added to my
uneasyness of the situation.
I was allowed to "tag along" as a member of the pre-professional staff of
Southeast Region, BSA. The event left a positive imprint upon me and reminded
me that I serve as long as the BSA wishes for me to do so, and not one more day
afterwards; and that for all of my wishes to pass onward my stuff to my sons
someday, the many patches, medals, emblems, plaques and uniforms are STILL
the property of the BSA and can be requested back legally.
Not a real "smiles and giggles" reply, Ned...but then, I like all of us in
have some idea of this when we registered for the first time. Bottom line:
do anything that would negatively reflect upon the organization or yourself.
But then, are we not supposed to reflect the best of our organization to the
and to the youth we're entrusted with??
Hope that helps out a little...
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (Settummanque, the blackeagle)
(Brigade) Signal Officer, TF 21, 21st Theater Army Area Command
Kaiserslautern, Federal Republic of Germany
"everything I say is "on the record"; speaking ONLY for myself unless indicated"
personal inquiries via email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org
professional inquiries via email@example.com
-----FORWARD in service to youth and the nation-----
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City