George Crowl (WILLIAMM@ZIAVMS.ENMU.EDU)
Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:17:32 -0700
Jason, & Mike Walton:
Sorry for the delay, but was on a trip. Beg to differ with
(important) details of Mike's reply to Jason.
Mike is generally correct about being unable to earn two awards
in the same registered position at the same time (EXCEPT, see
below), and I agree with his interpretation that if you are
functioning in two or more positions simultaneously that you can
earn the appropriate awards simultaneously.
The EXCEPT is critical. Per personal discussion with the
National Boy Scout Division about three years ago, you may count
the tenure as SM for both the Scouter's Training Award (STA) and
the Scouter's Key (SK), and earn both in three years. Earning
the STA is a requirement for earning the SK. When I pointed out
that meant 5 years as SM to earn the SK, they said "No, we don't
mean that, we mean 3 years total service as SM." They are not
clear at all about that in the "Leadership Training Plans
Policies Procedures" manual. I have asked them to document the
change but they have not yet.
Mike's is correct for all other programs, i.e. Cubs, Varsity,
Explorers, etc. The inconsistency is with Boy Scouting Division.
Can't explain it, it just exists.
To recap, for Scoutmasters only:
Earn the Scoutmasters Award of Merit (White knot) at 18
months or after.
Earn the Scouter's Training Award (Green knot) at 24 months
Earn the Scouter's Key (White & green knot) at 36 months or
To recap, for Commissioners only:
Earn the Arrowhead at 6 months or after.
Earn the Scouter's Key at 36 months or after.
Earn the Distinguished Commissioner at 5 years consecutive
____'/____ George Crowl
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From: "MAJ Mike L. Walton (Settummanque,
the blackeagle)" <blkeagle@MIDWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: knots
Basically, the general rule of thumb is the following: time
spent in one
position to earn a training award or key cannot be used to earn
another training award or key. For instance, I cannot use my
time as a Scoutmaster to earn the Scouters' Training Award. If,
however, I am registered as a Scoutmaster AND as a District
Committeemember, I can work on both Scoutmasters's Key and
District Committee Key at the same time, following the training
and coaching plan outlined for each training award.
The Scoutmaster's training and coaching plan is unique (so far).
Scoutmaster should strive at the 18 month point to earn the
Scoutmaster Award of Merit. This "halfway point" provides a good
boost for any Scoutmaster working on the Scouters' Key as a
Scoutmaster. Likewise, ALL Commissioners should be striving to
earn the Commissioners' Award of Merit at the end of five years
of registered service and after attaining the Arrowhead Honor
Award, followed by the Commissioners' Key.
So, you cannot count the two years you spent working and earning
the Scouters' Training Award toward your three to five years'
tenure as Scoutmaster. For
one, you have to serve as SCOUTMASTER for at least three years;
two, you have to earn the SCOUTMASTER'S AWARD OF MERIT (which
Assistants and others cannot earn), and finally, you have to be
the SCOUTMASTER of a Troop which has received Quality unit (I
think its two out of three years or all three years).
You cannot do any of those things to earn the Key as a Assistant
nor as a Committeemember or Chair.
The reference to all of this is found in the current edition of
Leadership Development booklet (someone help me out with the
exact name...I've memorized what's in it but can't remember the
name exactly....oh Mr. Postman, please bring me my four-pounder
(and don't get hurt doing it!!)!
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (Settummanque, the
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City