Re: Scout Names on Websites?
golden cliff (c60clg1@CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU)
Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:58:52 -0600
I apologize for the length of this post.
On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Cheryl Singhal wrote:
> However, it's not just the pedophile who is a concern.
> What about the hustlers who sell software over the phone? Or the ones who
> want you to sign up for the Book-of-the-Week Club or CD of the month or
They'll come with or without published last names on a website. The only
way to escape them is death. (as far as I know)
> Harassment can occur between the Jock who hates Geeks and
> happens to see Johnny B. Goode's name on a local web-site ... if Jock
> starts phoning Geek at all hours of the day and night, Geek's dad isn't
> going to be pleased.
What if the same jock sees the same boy at a flag ceremony, service project,
or reads about his Eagle presentation in the newspaper? He can harrass the
boy because of any contact. Should we avoid publicity altogether to
"protect" our boys?
> Or, what about the stupid e-mail we all get, Make $$ fast, for instance?
> If the "least intellectually gifted" child in your troop got such an
> offer, e-addressed to him, or even mailed to him, would he know to ignore
> it? Or would he gleefully put his name and address at the bottom and send
> off $5, thus engaging in mail fraud?
What stupid e-mail? I've never recieved any of that. Really, what am I
The "least intellectually gifted" child in my troop doesn't have e-mail.
Just a few of the boys do, and they are all pretty sharp kids. I wouldn't
underestimate their intelligence or judgement.
> Well, Cliff, While I *DO*, I really DO, see your point and even share it
> up to apoint, this is no worse and no different than teaching children
> NOT to get in the car with a stranger, or NOT to give their address out
> to people on the phone, or NOT to admit to a caller that they are home alone.
Cheryl I do think they are very different things. Publishing a last name
on a website is far different from getting into a car with a stranger or
telling someone you are home alone.
I do agree with you that it is important to teach children about the
dangers out there, but publishing a last name on a website is no worse
that publishing a last name in the local paper. More people will see my
local paper than my troop's website.
> The fact that a 6' tall minor built like a cross between Schwartzenneger
> and George Foreman runs his own BBS and is a ROOT and/or
> Webmaster does not imply that he is as knowledgeable as you about the
Thanks for that. I'll forward it to him. He'll love it.
I agree youth are not as knowledgeable as adults about the dangers in the
world. The internet is another part of the world with its own special
dangers. It is important to educate them on all risks and shield them
from certain dangers.
Where we disagree is to what extent we need to protect them. Publishing
a last name does not put them in inherant danger or condemn them to
hassassment. At least not in my judgement.
Boys Life magazine features articles about boys (using first and last
names with photos). Over 1 million issues go out each month with many
distributed to newsstands where anyone can view or purchase them. Is this
a danger to youth? Is the publication of their last names a youth
protection issue? Boys Life has been doing it for decades.
There's two brothers in my troop named Larson. There are over 100 Larsons
in the phone book. If someone wanted to track them down they would have
to make 100 calls and still not find them. Their mother is remarried and
listed under her new husband's name. Neither boy has e-mail. They moved
to another town but remain active with our troop. Would publishing their
last name really expose them to danger?
I sincerely appreciate both Cheryl's and Tim's concerns about the safety of
children. However, I still don't see the immediate danger of publishing
last names on websites. I really don't. My view remains unchanged.
I hope this doesn't destroy my credibility, but...
My own troop doesn't publish last names on our website, except mine. I
see no need to. But if the boys wanted last names included (and their
parents didn't object) I would do it. My Webmaster's e-mail address and
mine are included on the site. (I can't remember if his full name
appears, I know his e-mail handle does, Skif)
Please check our home page at... http://www.tbcnet.com/~skif/troop33
He says he'll correct some typos, complete and update some hyperlinks,
and add some graphics in the near future. He's a busy kid with a lot of
things going on right now.
YIS, Cliff Golden
Scoutmaster Troop 33; DeKalb, Illinois
Three Fires Council BSA
PS: If you check out the website, e-mail the Webmaster and encourage him
to complete his Eagle. He's preparing to start his project.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City