Re: What to do with extra Pins and Patches
Richard L. Axtman (axtman@CASTLE.DRC.COM)
Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:47:45 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do with extra Pins and Patches
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:05:07 EDT
From: Ben G Privet <bprivet@JUNO.COM> of Cambridge, MA
Ben wrote a very nice e-mail message to me and for all of you to read.
Here is some of my reply to Ben and for your personal reading enjoyment.
BEN WROTE: I guess Boy Scout Leaders must be smelly and
have seen all the ideas.
I never said they do, but since you mention it there is some odor
lingering around you after a campout. Is that smoke I smell?
BEN WROTE: It's sounds as if you don't have a lot of
experience being a Boy Scout Leader, Rich.
Please correct me if I'm wrong (I doubt it
BEN WROTE: Brace yourself guy, it may come as a surprise to
you but, Boy Scouts **IS** a boy run organization
and if those leaders you denigrated actually do
take a back seat and while their boys run their
own program using the patrol method, guess what?
They're doing **EXACTLY** what they're supposed
to be doing.
You are right about how Boy Scouts are run by the boys. In Cub Scouts
it takes adult leadership and adult participation, the boys are not
old enough to lead themselves yet. If adults do not lead and participate
in Cub Scouts then there is NO PROGRAM or Cub Scout Pack. Boy Scouts
and Cub Scouts are two different programs that do not run identical.
The program's operation is the opposite in the sense of adult leadership
BEN WROTE: I have suggested on many occasions that there
should be a special training course that will
retrain (transition) the pushy mother hen types
of Cub leaders (thankfully they're the minority)
to let their Boy Scout do for himself.
Oh, no! Now lets take this out of context a little like Ben does.
We could say he talked about "mothers," as being "pushy, hen types"
and that thankfully they are a "minority" and that they should let
their son do for himself and not care for their Boy Scout sons.
Sounds like he launched an attach on motherhood, hens, Cub leaders,
said all male Cub Leaders must be women, said Cub leaders are
minorities, doesn't it to you? Ha, Ha Just kidding
There is plenty of training for Boy Scout and Cub Scout leader training
courses available. It's just up to the adults to become leaders and
BEN WROTE: Another thing Rich, what ever gave you the notion that
one of the jobs of a scout leader is to "promote" B.S.A.
I never said to promote BSA products. I just used the catalog and the
pictures to show others what the red "Patch Vest" looks like. The prices
I used from the catalog showed the cost difference between buying a
vest and making your own. The pricing also showed the difference in
expense between the vest and the Jac-Shirt.
Crafty Leaders could make their own vest, by seeing the picture. I still
remember the old saying "A picture is worth a thousands words." Well, when
it comes to making something like a patch vest a picture sure helps.
BEN WROTE: I know that I'm not going to give up my valuable pack
space just to carry around a B.S.A. catalog. I mean
come on Rich, get real here.
Who said to carry it in your pack, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT IMPLIED IT,
so who needs to get real now?
BEN WROTE: I wonder how Pack 6 is outfitted for all the "catalog"
doodads? I'll just go out on a limb here and say that
it's likely that you and maybe your son(s) are almost
the only ones who look like you stepped off of the
pages of that catalog.
Pack 6 looks great and yes we all buy Official BSA Cub Scout Uniforms,
insignia, hats and other related items for our program. Uniforms
and accessories are part of the program and have always been so haven't
they? The money made from buying BSA items, supports BSA and its
future program developments. Whether everyone realizes it or not
Scouting is a business and it takes money to keep it running.
BEN WROTE: Just how many Cubs and adults in Pack 6 wear those
patch vests that you're so fond of?
Currently no one. However, we are going to make our own and save
money as I already suggested in my earlier posting. It is going to
be a winter Den and Pack project that will teach the boys how to
sew, the vests and their own patches on it. In the end it will also
give them something useful to wear with their uniform that they can
be proud of. It will develop a skill that will come in handy when
they get to be a Boy Scout too. When I was a young Cub Scout I
learned to sew in this same way and I've been doing my own sewing
all my life. Can you sew and can your scouts sew? If not, it isn't
hard to learn if you want to. Just try it and do your best!
BEN WROTE: Are you one of those Cubmasters who does things like
make a contest of an annual uniform inspection. Oh, you
didn't know it's not a contest I'll bet and I'll venture
to say that your son always "wins." Come on Rich,
tell the truth
We do have uniform inspections, but we do them more than once a year.
Making it a contest is a GOOD IDEA, they taught us that in Cub Scout
Basic Training and in other Roundtable training, but we haven't had a contest
yet. Maybe we'll do it at our Blue and Gold banquet. The boys love contests
and prizes, just as anyone does (youth and adults). Thanks for reminding
me of the idea I was taught at Council. Military units has surprise spot
inspections to see how things are going without warning so that improvements
get made. Not that we're military units, but we do wear uniforms like one.
Baden Powell a "Military Man" and I bet he had uniform inspections and
taught Scouting like it was a game or a contest. I was taught that making
things a game or a contest can be a great way to teach new things and
instill good values.
We use the Official Uniform Inspection Sheets for Cub Scouts and Adult
Leaders that are published by BSA. Everyone is given a copy of it, so
that they know all the uniform requirements so that they can pass an
inspection, so there is no mystery.
As for my Son, YES he passes his uniform inspection, just like many
other Cub Scouts and Leaders do. They all that take pride in their
uniform appearance. Passing inspection doesn't mean you have to get
a 100, just that you do your best and that you try to improve over time.
BEN WROTE: Who won the last few pinewood derbies in your pack, huh?
Our Pine Wood Derby is totally run and judged by a Boy Scout Troops
Boy Scouts and Adult Leaders. They run the whole show and my leaders
and I are only spectators. No Scout Leader of Pack 6 judges any of
the event. This is done to prevent adults from thinking the race is
rigged or a favorite boy will win. At last years race my son won 1st
place and the year before he won 2nd.
BEN WROTE: Was it your car, in mean your son's car ?
In Pack 6 we have a costumed Santa Claus at our Christmas Party that
gives each Cub a FREE Pinewood Derby Car Kit. We also offer them to
brothers and sisters. In the past we gave Tiger Cubs, Regatta Boats,
but they told us that they all want to build cars. So this year we are
going to give everyone cars instead.
My son made his own car from the same kit as everyone else. We require
everyone to use the same kit so they all start off the same parts.
My son carved it, sanded it and finished it. It ended up looking like
a Hostess Twinky, not very fancy, had no driver, decals or anything.
Just a simple rounded rectangular piece of wood with a light brown
wood stain, clear sealer and 4 wheels. In fact all the boys in the
Pack called it "Twinky."
BEN WROTE: Do you try to let everyone feel good about whatever
they do whenever you can?
I am real big on rewarding my Cub Scouts and Leaders and I take every
opportunity to do so. It helps develop their pride, self esteem and
our Pack Spirit. It is my job to do these things as Cubmaster, and to
be the master of ceremonies and host of the events.
BEN WROTE: Are you the type who requires perfection?
Yes, Ben, I am a perfectionist. I only require it of myself, but I
try to instill it in my Cubs and Leaders. I try to do my best all
the time and to improve on everything I either do, make or work on.
In my career I have to be a perfectionist or people could die as a
result of how perfect my work is. You see in the past I have
designed, built and tested critical care electronic equipment
that is used to support human life in Hospital intensive care units
and operating rooms. I am currently working on Missile Guidance Test
Systems. So you can see that there is no such thing as "Just good
enough" in my work and that of my coworkers. It all has to be the
best it can be or someone will suffer the consequences.
BEN WROTE: A Cub Scout's best should always be good enough for you.
Their best is good enough for me, but I try to teach my Leaders and
Scouts to improve each time try. Improvement should be an ongoing
process, that results in higher quality.
BEN WROTE: For anyone wondering, Rich and I don't know each
other even though we're from the same state.
I just think I've seen this frame of mind enough
in my many years in scouting that I think I can
take some educated guesses as to some things that
may be going on in Rich's pack. If I'm wrong about
Rich's pack, I apologize in advance and I can
actually come up to Lowell someday and see this
wonder pack in person.
I hope that Rich doesn't take any of this as an
attack on him, on Cub leaders in general, or on his
pack in any event.
I do not have enough time to respond to each and every thing Ben wrote
me or should I say us (SCOUTS-L), so I'll have to cut it short here.
Ben, your apology for the attack has been well taken by me, the Cub
Leaders in general, and my pack. I do not have any hard feelings,
and I personally would like to send you all our love.
I have enjoyed everything on SCOUTS-L including the occasional flaming
sessions I have seen or been involved in. I hope no one feels offended
when it happens or takes it to heart. It can be a lot of fun if you
make take it that way. Our "Freedom of Speach" is what makes our
country great. We all share this right to think what we want and to
say what we think. Have a sparkling day and enjoy the world !
Hugs and Kisses,
and Best In Scouting,
Cubmaster, Pack 6
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City