Re: Eagle project problem (additional)
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@NYC.PIPELINE.COM)
Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:20:32 GMT
On Oct 07, 1996 12:06:04, 'Cheryl Singhal <csinghal@CAPACCESS.ORG>' wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Ted Sarah wrote:
>> 3. After the boys first SM conference, in which it was pointed
>> out that he did not have two deep adult leadership at all
>> of the work dates, adults magically appeared on his list of
>> workers when he had his second SM conference. His SM
>> that the write up be redone, as it was not written up in the
>> proper manner, this is why a 2nd SM conference.
>You're saying the Eagle candidate *lied* verbally in the SM conference
>and again in writing on his write-up? Does anyone but the candidate have
>a copy of that first write-up?
Without getting into the question of whether an Eagle Service Project is an
"activity" for purposes of requiring two deep adult leadership, there IS
another explanation of the "magically appearing" adults, and that is that
the Scout just forgot to list some of the adults who might have been
present, but who might not have been actually involved in the service
project itself. It is also possible that they were actually helping but
were not listed. I find that there is a great tendency for candidates NOT
to list adults, even when there and working. I have a set of papers in my
possession now from a Scout in my own troop where my presence on the second
day of his project is not listed. I don't know why not, and I don't think
that I will make it an issue at his Board on Saturday night. I will just
surmise that he forgot to write down when I arrived later in the day, so
forgot to list me when he wrote up the project.
>If the answer to both is yes, I would certainly HOPE National would not
>overturn a denial.
>If the answer to the second is no, but the first is yes and a reliable
>yes at that, I'd go talk to District and to Council and put it on the
>line: we know this candidate lied; how do we prevent that lie earning
>A Scout is trustworthy, not to mention Honest and Reliable.
Yes, a Scout is Trustworthy and honest, but we ALL have been guilty of
telling less than the truth at times and I am not sure that I would
automatically disqualify a Scout who otherwise seems to be Eagle material
because I might have caught him in a lie. It would certainly enter into my
thought processes, however.
I'm sure we ALL (who have worked in Advancement over any extended period of
time) come across the Scout who wakes up to the 3 month requirement for
Personal Management MB two months before his 18th birthday. I am also sure
that most of these Scouts somehow manage to complete the MB. How many of
us have looked such a Scout in the eye and said "forget it, there is no way
you can now make Eagle?"
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City