Re: Troop Leadership Req. (reply)
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@NYC.PIPELINE.COM)
Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:46:53 GMT
On Oct 04, 1996 16:54:13, 'Scott Morley <Scott_Morley@ITTSHERATON.COM>'
>I have to disagree with Bruce. First on principle and then on
>requirements. If a scout while a tenderfoot does a walk for hunger
>how can you in good conscience (sp?) count that as a service project
>for Star? Second the req. state "while a Star Scout..." . This means
>the time spent in a leadership position as a FC does NOT count toward
>Life. Once again the ritual phrase of all Advancement people
>NO MORE.. NO LESS
>This is always followed by a smug little smile. :) <-- like this
I'm not sure where you are disagreeing with me. Clearly, where a
requirement says "while a xxxxx Scout" do something, it must be done while
you meet the qualifications and anything done before then can't be used.
Thus, clearly, a service project done while a Tenderfoot Scout can't count
as a Star or Life Service project.
However, the general statement was made that it was an unwritten rule that
the same action can't count to meet two or more different requirements. My
contention is that since it is unwritten, it isn't a rule and you can count
the same action to meet multiple requirements.
Thus, suppose, as I posted, a Scout is working on Rowing and Canoeing merit
badges at the same time (not far fetched). Both require demonstration of
CPR. He goes down to the health lodge, tells the health officer that wants
to pass the requirement for Rowing mb and does show. He gets whatever
certification the health officer gives him to give to the Rowing mb
counselor to verify that he has done the requirement. He then, the next
hour, goes to Canoeing mb class and the mb counselor (maybe even the same
counselor) tells him he needs CPR. He shows him the certification that he
JUST received in connection with Rowing mb. Do you really believe that he
should have to go back to the health officer and demonstrate it AGAIN? I
Further, Kathy stated that the rule wasn't "unwritten," but rather was
"written." I asked her to provide a cite, but as yet she hasn't done so.
I am sure there are many areas where the same action can meet the
requirements for different ranks/badges. In most cases I see nothing wrong
with accepting the performance for ALL of them.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City