Re: Unwritten rule...NOPE it's written
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@NYC.PIPELINE.COM)
Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:25:45 GMT
On Oct 03, 1996 11:06:53, 'Matt Harline <harline@GSLXSRV1.ROSE.HP.COM>'
>>On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Bruce E. Cobern wrote:
>>> >Remember our goal please -- the growth of the youth and adults in our
>>> >program. What growth is accomplished by 'double' or 'triple'
>>> What's accomplished by having them do the SAME thing TWICE or three
>>that's easy, Bruce: it prepares them for life as an adult in a
>>Paul H. Brown, WB 82-66
>>Roundtable Commissioner, George Washington District, NCAC
>Besides, we already have them do several things two, three, or more times.
>Several of the First Aid requirements for Tenderfoot, Second, and First
>Class as well as First Aid merit badge are repeated in various other
This is true, on the surface, but I'm not sure that this REQUIRES that they
perform the tasks again. For example, my feeling is that, within a year or
two, most summer camps will have their first aiders (or other qualified
individuals) do the teaching and testing of CPR for ALL the aquatics merit
badges and give the Scout some sort of certificate that this has been done
which will then be accepted for ALL of the aquatics merit badges that the
Scout takes during that summer. I cannot see ANY camp telling a Scout who
has just demonstrated CPR for the swimming mb that he has to go back and DO
IT AGAIN, during the same week or summer, if he then wishes to take rowing
or canoeing mb's. In fact, I would think that many aquatics mb counselors,
when a Scout already has first aid mb or a certification in CPR from the
Red Cross or American Heart Association, for example, will accept that
certification as evidence that the Scout has met the CPR requirement for
that particular mb. (Of course, depending on time proximity, gut feel,
answers to test questions, etc.) The same argument could be made for the
outdoor safety first aid now required for the outdoor badges. I believe
the reason these were added to the mb requirements was to cover the
situation where a Scout might be working on the mb BEFORE he had done these
requirements for the other ranks. Again, since the mb counselor has
ultimate responsibility for the material covered in the mb, it is up to him
to decide how much he will or will not accept from things done elsewhere.
>For some boys, doing the same job twice may be appropriate. Others would
>benefit from having various different jobs. I would be concerned if we
>appointed a First Class scout to be a Den Chief, then after 4 months, when
>he became a Star Scout he had to abandon the Den Leader so he could take
>on a different position of responsibility so it would count for his Life
>rank. Just as you don't want turn over in your adult leadership after
>4 months on a job, the Den Leader doesn't want to build a working
>relationship with a new Den Chief every four to six months.
I was not referring to the leadership positions in this context, because I
believe that the requirements are that you hold a position for the
requisite number of months, regardless of whether it was the same position
used for a prior rank. I agree that in most instances it is probably
better if the Scout experiences a number of different positions in his
Scouting career, but I do NOT believe the SM can say to a Den Chief that he
will not accept DC as a qualifying position because he had already used it
for another rank.
>The bottom line is, you gotta look at each situation and do what is best
>for the boy and the position he is filling.
Sometimes, however, the rules tie our hands, in spite of what we believe is
best for the boy.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City