Re: Membership lists
Fri, 4 Oct 1996 04:34:27 -0500
Steve Eisenberg should first call his Council RIGHT AWAY; he wrote:
>This morning, I received a "cold-call" from a financial planning service who
>said that they were from the BSA.
>1) Is BSA or local council selling our names to commercial concerns?
NO. Under present National policies, a local Council nor the National Council
may release ANY information about it's membership to any outside concerns.
This was done after Thomas Watson ("TomWat" fame) got a listing of local
Council Presidents and Commissioners and instructed his sales staff to target
local Councils....each person got a letter that implied that "national was
this" when they were not even aware of the matter.
>2) Are these people using the good name of the BSA to promote themselves for
Could be. That's why I stated what I did....please CALL YOUR COUNCIL
RIGHT AWAY and report this, Steve. Your Council Scout Executive should know
and if it's legit, he or she will tell you themselves.
A couple of CSPs says its NOT legit!!
>3) Where did they get my name (ie. how did they know that I'm a Scouter)?
From a variety of sources, including the Internet. People knew I was a Scouter
here two weeks before I stepped off the plane....a lot of that had to do
good "G2" (Intelleigence) given by Scouters who live here from Scouters from
our list. But there were others that noticed my Scout jacket on occasion, or
one afternoon after I'd received a fax, asked me about my connection to
Someone you have dealt with could have also given your name as a "lead",
and in the conversation, related the fact you are a Scouter.
>4) How does long term financial planning fit in with the Cub Scout program?
Some local Councils are doing some work with trying to get Scouters to consider
giving all or part of their insurance benefits to the local Council, as a
inflation and to build up sagging reserves which has been depleted in past
But they will do this above-board, and usually will send you a letter in the
asking for your support and indicating that if you do not want to participate to
contact a professional at the office (a Development Director or perhaps the
Assistant Scout Executive or even the Council Executive...which is why I
recommended you call him or her right away!) and "get your name off the list".
>5) Am I getting something of value for the cost of the seminar (at least I
>know where the popcorn money goes <G>).
>6) If BSA or local council did release my name to this company,
> a) couldn't they find a better way to raise a few dollars than selling
Local Councils do not, as a general rule, sell or loan out their membership
to anyone other than other local Councils or to divisions at the National
National *may have* sold their youth listings to companies that have a longterm
relationship (and can be closely monitored) with the BSA, but I'm pretty
they aren't presently doing it.
> b) have they fully investigated any company that they are sending our
That's part of the "charter" of the BSA's Risk Management Support Division.
> c) shouldn't they be more concerned with the youth program than my
They are interested in both...hence the *possible* pitch. I do ask please,
to pick up your phone, call your Council Scout Executive and ask about this.
could be on the up-and-up and your Council is trying to raise some real capitol.
Or it could be a scam and an attempt to use the name of the BSA in
something the BSA has nothing to do with.
>Note: I have not yet checked with council concerning this matter.
>Cubmaster, Pack 373
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (Settummanque, the blackeagle)
(Brigade) Signal Officer, TF 21, 21st Theater Army Area Command
Kaiserslautern, Federal Republic of Germany
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