Re: Not Cooking Your own Breakfast
James F. Van Hecke Jr. (jvanhecke@LANL.GOV)
Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:02:38 -0600
Yah Tah Hey Si Kess, Lodge 66, Great Southwest Council,
used to provide candidates with a drink, egg, orange, piece
of bread, and two matches. The candidates were then to cook
their own breakfast as best they could.
This started out innocent enough, but gradually became a
problem from several aspects.
1. Some candidates didn't know how to cook an egg in an
orange and therefore either threw the egg away or ate it raw
2. There were several hundred little fires throughout the
woods surrounding our dining hall.
3. Members would walk amongst the candidates, drinking
their coffee, making smug remarks or gawking at the
candidates as they struggled with their fires and what to do
with the combination of egg, orange, bread, and matches.
4. It became a "fourth Test" of the Ordeal, humiliated some
of the candidates, and didn't garner much respect for the
When the Elangomat Program was instituted, about 10 years
ago, we did away with candidates cooking their own
breakfast. The first couple of conclaves, using Elangomats,
the Elangomats cooked the breakfast for their candidates.
That was OK if you didn't have an excessively large
Elangomat Crew (6 - 8 is ideal).
Since then, we have delivered a "scant" breakfast to a site
reserved for the candidates, and well away from the members.
It usually consistes of something like a breakfast burrito
and cup of cocoa.
For those not familiar with the Elangomat program, Elangomat
means "friend". It is a member who actually goes through
the Ordeal with a group of candidates, and leads them
through the entire process. It is an incredibly rewarding
experience to take a crew through the Ordeal.
At 10:06 AM 10/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, when Ron originally posted this question, he asked
>that it not become a major thread - I guess that asking that
>question is kind of like throwing gasoline on a fire! Anyhow,
>for my 2 cents worth:
>As a member of Ron's lodge, I wanted to throw a little history
>into the discussion. Two councils merged in '93 to form the
>Des Plaines Valley Council. The OA lodges also merged with
>their varying traditions involving ceremonies. It's been a fun
>ride ever since, and things are finally starting to come
>Two of the differing traditions involved the Ordeal
breakfast - one
>lodge served a nice sit-down breakfast for the candidates, and
>the other did the cook-the-egg routine. In our local (not
>council e-mail list, we have been passionately debating the
>merits and officialness of either tradition.
>My question: what do other lodges do for this breakfast?
>Also, how is "tap out" or "call out" handled? Are people
>physically "tapped", or pointed to, or what?
>By the way - having a local e-mail list is a great communication
>tool - especially when you know that some of the council
>muckety-mucks have their ears plugged in!!
>Scoutmaster, Troop 55
>Downers Grove, IL
Jim Van Hecke I used to be an Owl
Camping Chairman, Great Southwest Council, Albuquerque, NM
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