Re: Several questions
James A. Sheckels (sheckej@EARTHLINK.NET)
Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:56:13 -0700
Kathie Cerveny provides information in response to a member's
questions as follows:
>>A couple of questions that one of the boys in my troop posed to me:
>>1. Are youth permitted to wear the necktie? I couldn't find any
>>mention one way or the other in the Insignia Guide, but perhaps I
>It is shown in the insignia guide for adults wear only.
Actually, the guide addresses only the red/white/blue tie worn with
the Scouter's dress uniform (see page 46 of Insignia Control Guide #33064).
Nowhere does it say "adults only", but that does seem to be the intent, as it
is in the section for the SCOUTER Dress Uniform.
In the 1996 Official Catalog, the red/blue/silver tie is shown on page LE5
(item 34). The tie in the insignia guide is identified as #00724 or 00725; the
tie in the catalog is identified as # 00730 or 00731. Two different ties?
On page LE4 (item 20) is shown the green Leader's Tie. While this tie is in
the section for SCOUTER items, I see no "adults only" annotations here neither.
As it is identified as a LEADER tie, and there are youth leaders.......
Now, folks, there is the information and the exact quoted sources. No ambiguity
here, as to the source. But does it say "adults only - NO SCOUTS"!?! I submit
that any Scout appearing in either tie will most likely NOT be hanged, nor
at sunrise, sunset, or any other time of the day.
>>2. Who in the troop is allowed to wear the Quality Unit patch? I.e.,
>>if a boy joins part way through a year, does he wear the QU patch that
>>the troop earned the previous year or does he have to wait until he
>>himself has been around to earn the patch?
>ALL registered members of a quality unit (youth and adult) even if they just
>joined this Fall and the troop earned Quality at last recharter in Jan 96.
>The Quality Patch can only be one year at a time (see insignia control)
>-YES- as long as the unit earned the patch in the previous year, he wears it.
Can't quote a source specific as to who wears the Quality patch, based on when
they joined. I had always believed that only those who were actually
when earned could wear it, though. Keep in mind, the work is completed by
before the recognition is earned. I'm wondering why anyone could wear a
they had no part in earning? The year on the patch depends on the year of
Case in point - my District recharters in May. The quality patch represents
performed from June last year (1995) to May this year (1996). Scouts and
joining after this year's recharter had NO PART in earning this year's
recognition, even though they joined in 1996! Seems this is what I was
able to quote any words AND documents, specifically? Hey, I could be wrong.
find "the words" to prove it either way.
As to "can ony be worn one year at a time (see insignia control)". Okay,
Flip to page 24 in the Insignia Control guide, #33064. It says "Quality
youth member and leader, right sleeve...(snip)...Only the most recently
may be worn." Doesn't say worn for a year. Says the most recently
"earned". So if
the last one I earned was from, say, 92, I can still wear it. As long as
I'm still in
the same unit with which I earned it. Hopefully, though, every unit does in
the recognition each year! This would also mean a Scout, who earned the
in, say 90, left to go to college, did not "earn" the patch with his unit
for several years,
then returned home, joined as a Scouter, could indeed wear that 1990 patch
this year. It was
the last one he earned.
>When it comes to uniforms we have no conclusions - it is restricted to the
>national uniform committee to make the decisions, we follow them.
Yeah, well, maybe. But this isn't an exact science (read my sig block for
YIS, Jim Sheckels - I used to be a Bobwhite...SE 308-7 '82/'72-WWW-B'Hood
CR & CC Troop & Pack 742, Hope Mills United Methodist Church, NC
Member of NAUMS/District Advancement & Training Committee
3501 Farm Circle Rd, Fayetteville, NC 28306-8303
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