Re: Scouts-L patch
Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:14:30 -0500
Mariano Bravo wrote to my explaination on why I'm not using the fleur-de-lis
(FDL referenced in his posting) nor the trefoil as part of the
>Ladies and gentlemen, read "Scouting for Boys", "Aids to Scouting",
>"Rovering to Succes", "Adventure to manhood"... those books has the real
>scence of Scouting, without "policies"... plain and good Scouting |
>FYI here in Mexico before you join a WB course you have to read at least
>the above mentioned books.
>Now, I'm seated again.
>As far as I know B-P use the FDL, not a campfire.
Let me try to restate the reason why I cannot. In the United States, ANY
contains the fleur-de-lis, either one color or multicolor with the Eagle and
THE PROPERTY OF THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA (or is perceived to be
their property). The reason why this is so is because the BSA received a
our Congress which serves as the basis for a "unlimited copyright" on the
In order to use those symbols (and others, now), you must recieve permission
the BSA. This has little to do with the WOSM...much to do with American
The WOSM delegated their "authority" for issuing and wearing the badge of
to each individual national Scouting organization, in my case, the BSA.
When I requested in 1993 permission to use the international emblem as part
of an "international internet patch", the request came back to me certified
mail, with a handwritten "NO" in the corner and signed by the Program
Division Chief (along with
No means no, in this case, so I went back to the drawing board and developed
something with some meaning TO THE PEOPLE WEARING IT...not to the people
viewing it. I could get away with the square knot and the rope....yes, it's
part of the
international symbol but it's the FDL that was the problem, not the rope.
So, I used
a campfire instead.
Yes, Mariano, there's a LOT of "politics" when it comes to Scouting in the USA.
There's a lot of stuff that Germans (and you folks in Mexico) can do which
is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to do here in the United States. Someone wrote me two
days ago explaining that very fact that "our lawyers would die" if we Yanks did
the same things that they did during Troop meetings and activities.
The bottom line is, *I* would prefer not to issue out a whole bunch of
then two or three months down the road, someone with a lawyer comes at my door
telling me that they want all of the patches I have and to provide a listing
I've sold a patch to so that they can recoup them.
If it has one of the BSA's indicas on it....they sure can and have done so
in the past.
I'm glad it WASN'T me!
Thanks for your concern, however.....
(and no, after I got back the letter from the Program Group, I didn't even
try the GSUSA!)
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (Settummanque, the blackeagle)
Deputy Public Affairs Officer, 21st Theater Army Area Command
Kaiserslautern, Federal Republic of Germany
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