Re: cubmaster vs cubscout rt commissioner
James A. Sheckels (sheckej@EARTHLINK.NET)
Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:14:46 -0700
Kim - There is no such rule in BSA policy. However, your Council and/or
District Commissioners may have such a policy. There are those who believe
we should only hold one PRIMARY LEADER position. Roundtable
Commissioner/staff are actually considered administrative positions
(evidenced by the gold or yellow border) as opposed to primary or "line"
leadership positions (Check out the silver border for the Council/District
Commissioners and Unit Commissioners).
Having served in every Commissioner position except Cub RT and Council
Commissioner, I can assure you that the border between primary and
administrative/support sure is FUZZY! I'm sure all the RT Commissioners will
let you know that coordinating the RT program and training the RT staff is a
full time "PRIMARY" Scout job. If you feel you can handle multiple jobs,
and your District Commissioner and Chartered Organization Rep (CR) have no
problem with it, I see no real problem. My basic rule is I don't agree to
any position or job unless I feel I can give the task all it needs to be a
Perhaps some confusion comes into play because we are not supposed to hold
two positions simultaneously within a unit (such as Scoutmaster and
Committee Member; Cubamster and Committee Member or Den leader, etc). This
too, happens everywhere all the time, as many on this list can attest to.
There are tons of thought on is this good or bad for a unit; my vote is
normally not a positive thing for the unit, but if you only have the minimum
number of adults needed to charter a unit, then it is going to happen.
Reference; the BSA Rules and Regulations, Article VI (Local Councils)
Section 3 (Local Units) Clause 9 (Leadership):"Each Cub Scout den and
Webelos den and each chartered Cub Scout pack, Boy Scout troop, Varsity
Scout team and Explorer post shall have one citizen of the United States, 21
years of age or older, who shall be registered and serve as the unit or den
leader. A unit leader may not serve simultaneously in any other position
within the same unit."
Kim Moye asks:
>I was approached by the Boy Scout Roundtable Commissioner and was told that
>I could not be Cubscout RT Commissioner since I was the Cubmaster for my
>pack. My District Commissioner and District Exec are quite aware of this,
>and yet they approached me to take this position.
>As long as I do a multiple position and fill out the correct form(s), is this
>a true statement. I can not find this is any of my documentation, and when
>I asked my DE, he laughed and said it was not true.
>My only question is that this statement had to come from somewhere. I really
>do not think the guy made it up on the spot (or maybe he did).
>So, does anyone know of any rule that states I cannot serve at the pack
>level as a Cubmaster and at the District level as RT commissioner?
>cubmaster/webelos den leader
>pack 308/allen tx
YIS, Jim Sheckels - I used to be a Bobwhite...SE 308-7 '82/'72-WWW-B'Hood
CR & CC Troop 742, Hope Mills United Methodist Church, NC
Member of NAUMS/District Advancement & Training Committee
3501 Farm Circle Rd, Fayetteville, NC 28306-8303
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