Patches for Webmaster and Scouts-L "participants"
Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:38:34 -0500
*trying to whistle through teeth* Hold on, folks!! I think there there's some
confusion between the various "patches" proposed. Here's the breakdown.
There WILL be a "Scouts-L" patch. This patch has one design presently, which
is an "international design" so ANYONE from ANY MEMBER NATION may
wear it and be identified as an "Internet Scouter". Those of you that
the scanned design I posted here in 1993 will remember this emblem. I have
talked on Friday late with three patch makers, and hopefully one will give me
a good price for 250 of them initially.
The design for this emblem is NOT "carved into stone", but in the past, there
were lots of favorable responses concerning this emblem. The design has a
red, orange, brown and black campfire, with the letters "I" and "S" (for
"Internet Scouter" outlined in "firehouse red". Surrounding the campfire is
a white rope with a square knot tied at the bottom (taken from the WOSM
flag and emblem) and surrounding that is the Morse code (because the
Halloran on-off code would be hard do to on such a small patch and because
Morse code is older...and almost a lost artform by now!) "words" for "Internet
Scouter" in black. The background of the patch is fully embrordered in light
green. There is a brown border. NO LETTERING OF ANY KIND is on the
emblem, nor any "indicia" from either the WOSM or a national Scouting
association, which makes it suitable for *temporary* wear on BSA uniforms as
well as uniforms or jackets of other nations.
I have decided to go ahead with this after many people wrote and said "please
count me in", however, I haven't completely had the time to figure out how we
would continue to do the contributions to the World Friendship Fund (the last
time was an accounting nightmare and I would rather try something else!).
THAT is the PRESENT design for the "Scouts-L" (actually it can be for ANY
electronic Scouting forum, not just us....I hate limiting stuff to "just us"
it creates this "us-them" attitude that as Scouters, well, we have it but we
Internet Patch. If anyone else has something else, that DOES NOT HAVE
LETTERING (it's hard when you're in Italy or Brazil wearing a patch with English
lettering!) and a simple design, PLEASE post it, tell us about it, so that
make an informed (and quick and final) decision before monies are expended.
There were several postings about the Fidonet Electronic Scouting patch, and
that would be fine too if we can all come to an agreement on it...it's a
The OTHER patch designs (referred to in some postings as "Design "A" or "B")
is something DIFFERENT. In the BSA, your position in the program is recognized
by a three-inch circular patch, some with a design in the center which
role in the program; mostly, its a patch with the Universal emblem (and the
of service for Commissioners and Professionals) with wording surrounding it
explaining in "english" what exactly you do within the BSA.
There is NO "official" position for what is called a "Webmaster", the person
female) whom is in charge of designing, creating, and maintaining unit,
council or regional Web pages or other electronic media; however, it is past
that those of us within the program and outside of it recognizes those
people with more than a "good job" email posting.
Ed Henderson, whose Virtual Trading Post on America Online (tm) has sold
hundreds of other "unofficial but official" emblems, patches and other items
to Scouters to
wear, has offered to create for us all a "Webmaster emblem" which would be
for purchase by those interested. An interesting question has come up by
Scouters and others on this forum as to whether one of the designs can be
to place the Girl Scouting indicia or perhaps a single-color fluer-de-lis
instead of the BSA's fullcolor one. That's fine with me....I like the
single-color design if we went
with that as the final design.
Again, here's the descriptions of the two designs, and the email address in
can place your "vote" for either. PLEASE DO NOT VOTE HERE ON SCOUTS-L!!
My "hat's off" to Ben Parker who sat aside a email address for you to vote
DESIGN "A" (my personal favorite) is a three-inch circular patch, with a
BLUE border similiar to those of the Chaplain, Physician, Reserve, and
Chaplain Aide patches. The background is white also like those other
patches. Unlike most of those patches, however, the Universal Emblem is NOT
in the center. A "input manipulation device, which looks similar to the
ones manufactured by Microsoft" (a mouse with
a short cord) is in the center, in blue. Under the mouse are two sets of
in yellow coming outward making a "yellow X" under the mouse. The wording
"Webmaster" appears at the bottom of the patch also in blue.
I had to think long and hard on why I chose a mouse to be the center emblem
instead of a keyboard, computer screen or even CPU. First, Webmasters use a
variety of machines, and singling out a "Mac" or a "PC" is not fair to those
Webmasters out there that are making great pages with their favorite
platform. Second, while it is true that many pages are created by keyboard
input, the Webmaster not only creates the
pages, but also maintains and searches out additional references...for this,
he or she
uses a mouse or another pointing device. A computer screen makes the
position patch look like the person is a TV repairman instead of a part of
the Council, District or unit
program. The lighting bolts only refer to the age-old traditional role that
electronics and communications has played.
The Scribe has a quill pen, the Quartermaster has the key (traditionally),
Librarian has the book. The Den Chief has the Cub Scout emblem. The
Webmaster has the mouse.
Why on the white background instead of the tan? Traditionally, roles like
the Chaplain, Physician and Scouter Reserve members can be found at the
Council, District and unit levels, so the patch has a white background as a
"catch all" level
indicator, as well as to emphasis the fact that this man or woman is an
special resource. The blue background indicates "special Scouters at the
local Council, District or unit level" according to the old BSA "color
DESIGN "B" is also a three-inch patch, except that this has a tan background
and border and a green set of seven lightning bolts all crisscrossing behind
Universal emblem in full color, with the lettering in green "Webmaster" at
The lightning bolts are in a star design which when you see it, looks
a web except for the cross-strands, with the BSA's emblem in the center
other position patches. Seven lightning bolts are there because web
activity takes place every day, not just on the day set aside for Scouting.
The traditional khakitan is used as with most other Scouting patches.
>OK, some people have read this and are starting to 'vote' their preferences.
> >>> PLEASE, do NOT respond to the Scouts-L List! <<<
>If everyone responds, the dialy msg quota will instantly fill up and the
>list will be frozen, which benefits nobody.
>I will volunteer one of my accounts to receive 'votes' and I will post
>periodic summaries of the voting. The process is similar to Usenet
>TO VOTE your preference for the Webmaster patch:
> email to: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Webmaster patch
> msg: I prefer Design A
> I prefer Design B
Again, >>> PLEASE, do NOT VOTE USING the Scouts-L List! <<<
Some folks don't really care about getting a patch for participating on
a "free forum", and for those folks, I personally apologize for both the lenght
as well as the number of postings on this topic. However, the vast majority
(so far, 44 have personally emailed me since the first posting and I don't know
how many have posted to BigEd) seem to want something that they can use
to further emphasize their relationship with this medium, something new and
different to trade and something to get others interested in what we're
I hope that I've eased the confusion a bit. Please note the subject line and
restrict comments to either the "Scouts-L patch" or the "Patch for Webmasters".
Thanks in advance!
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (Settummanque, the blackeagle)
Deputy Public Affairs Officer, 21st Theater Army Area Command
Kaiserslautern, Federal Republic of Germany
"everything I say is "on the record"; speaking ONLY for myself unless indicated"
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