Long post (instead of multiple small posts ;)
Grant O'Neil (poneilgdo@ALPHA2.CURTIN.EDU.AU)
Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:45:25 +0800
Re: Famous "Fictional" Scouts
At 22:33 1/09/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At the risk of incurring the wrath of the silly posts police, let me
>point out to all that Huey, Dewey and Louie were members of the Junior
>Woodchucks. Their handbook saved Unca Donald and Unca Scrooge's bacon
>beaucoup times, as I recall. It was the classic "machine of the Gods,"
>in that whenever Donald or Scrooge got in trouble, H,D, and L would find
>the correct solution in the Junior Woodchuck Handbook. This got to be a
>running joke in my troop when we were kids!
>Sm, Troop 113
>GW District, NCAC
There is another Disney cartoon character that definitely is a Boy Scout -
Darkwing Duck. In "Darkly Dawns the Duck" at one stage the "baddie" draws
his attention by flashing morse code on the clouds. When one of his henchmen
asks how he knows Darkwing will be able to read morse code he answers to the
effect that "knowing Darkwing Duck he keeps a Boy Scout Handbook under his
pillow. The scent then cuts to Darwing retrieving his Boy Scout Handbook
from under his pillow to be able to read the morse. Wow - it's scary
remembering that much detail; I've obviously been watching the video with
the kids too many times...
Re: Confederate Flag
I'm a little curious about one point regarding the Confederate flag. In the
posts on this thread I have seen reference to the "Confederate Battle Flag"
and the "Stars and Bars". Am I correct in my understanding that these were
two different flags?
If I recall my Civil War history correctly (no, we don't cover it in any
depth in school here downunder, but military history in general is an
interest of mine...) the Confederate Flag early in the war borrowed heavily
from the themes of the "Stars and Stripes" by having a blue union with stars
and then two wide red bars either side of a wide white bar. This flag was
referred to as the "stars and bars". However, it was found that in battle
this flag when furled could easily be confused with the Union flag and hence
the Confederate Battle Flag was designed; this being the familiar red field
with diagonal blue cross and stars on the arms of the cross. I have also
seen pictures of versions of this flag from later in the war, first with
this design in the union with an white background, and later with the
addition of a red strip across the end of the fly; apparently the latter
modification was due to the white flag being confused for a surrender flag
I may be wrong in some points here and would welcome correction of any of
these points by those more familiar with the relevant details, but as I said
at the beginning, my understanding is that the Stars and Bars and the Battle
flag were different flags.
Re: Uniform Costs
At 22:22 1/09/96 -0500, you wrote:
>> We also use the second hand option. Unfortunately, about 4-5 years ago
>> National introduced new style uniforms, and the new style are as rare as
>> hens teeth secondhand. Old style are pretty common, but "offically" no
>> longer should be worn (rebel that I am I have not bothered to get a new
>> style shirt yet; I already own two perfectly serviceable uniform shirts,
>I believe that here in the U.S. old uniform styles are style valid options
>if they can be found. I am not sure why national would make the old
>uniforms "officially" out of date.
I guess I should have been more clear on that point. I haven't seen this
official line in writing, but there are some in the "uniform police" mould
who take delight in pointing out the old style uniforms were only supposed
to be valid for wear up until a certain time after the introduction of the
new style (I think that date was supposed to be the beginning of this year).
Actually, the shirts are really no problem; the only significant difference
is that the new shirt has a collar, and when worn under a scarf it is hardly
noticeable. The trousers/shorts are what really stand out; the old uniforms
were the same shade of khaki as the shirts, the new ones are a colour
referred to as "moss green". I don't think anyone is waving a big stick at
people who persist in wearing the old uniform styles at troop level etc.,
but if you are going to attend an international event such as a jamboree it
is my understanding that you are expected to have the new style uniform.
As for why old uniforms are "officially" out of date, the cynic in me
suggests that it is to promote sales...
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