Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:53:30 -0500
Fred Weber is *not* a happy Scouter...he wrote:
>So the crab wont post anymore...I really have to say that I am disappointed
>in several members of this list who feel they have a monopoly on here and
>continue to post multiple posts every day. Also I am disappointed that
>several list members feel that have something to say about every
>subject..often not "on point"... This is a valuable resource and I, and
>others, would love to participate fully, but it is too hard trying to sort
>out all the unneccesary multiple posts...
It is plain to me that you're not happy with the *number* of postings you get
by way of Scouts-L each day. I don't want to add to your unhappiness, but
to offer to you and all of us here some reasons why perhaps you get
here every day". I'll use myself as an example, but this could *clearly be*
any number of Scouters here ("Professor Beaver", Mike Bowman is one example
of; there are others) as well.
My "work day" is now during your "sleep time" in most parts of the USA.
This means that while I am typing this after duty hours (as permitted under
of the military commanders here in this theater; right now, it is 1820 or
where my wife is in Kentucky, it is now 7 hours earlier, or 1120 (11:20am).
So, I will "save up" the postings that I wish to respond to, post my
replies, and send them to the list. Sometimes, my postings will "hit the
listserver" before the 50 posts
a day limit has been met. I have found however, that most days, it has not
and therefore I get a message in return stating that "my mail has been held
until the following day" and that no further action is needed....simply
stated, my postings are
at the listserver and ready for distribution, but it WON'T be distributed
until the following day.
This explains in part, my "delay" in responding to postings....but
unfortunately for you and perhaps others, it *also means* that you will have
5 or 6 "Mike Walton postings" to hit your mail program at the start of the
following day, all in a row.
Add this to the five or six from others, and the five or six from others,
and you get
This is why, Fred, we have an "informal" period of 10 days to reply to
postings through the list, and to keep those discussions "fresh" during that
time period. That
10 days is NOT carved into stone....it's just our collective experiences
that ten days
is more than enough time for a topic to be introduced, discussed, haggled
out, researched and EVERYONE given a chance to "chime in on it" and post
THEIR point-of-view, idea or information regarding it.
To "participate fully", one only needs to read (and I hope, post) to the
list. If you
feel that someone hasn't "kept to the topic at hand", how about sending them
a *personal note* letting them know that, you know...like a small "nudge" on
the shoulder (or in my case, that look that Jessica gives me when I'm about
ready to go
"overtime" in telling a story or "talking too much".)
The important thing to remember here, Fred, is that we're ALL in the same boat.
I get the SAME number of postings you get every day, and so does everyone else.
Perhaps we can all do a better job on "describing our topics" so that those not
interested in the topic at hand can move onward to another posting. I DO NOT
FEEL at this time, that we should increase the number of daily postings from
another number...perhaps after the first of the year, when the number of
posters get down to a "stable level".
We experience, like our units and groups we work within, a sharp increase in
the number of "participators" (I'm STILL trying to put a handle of what we
call ourselves other than "Scouters" to describe ourselves...) at the start
of the "program/school" year. This number increases during September,
October and levels off at around the middle of that month....and then it
increases again as Roundtable meetings and other forums bring us even more
new "members"... it continues until around the December holiday season, and
then it levels off in Janurary and stays that way until sometime around
spring break time (March).... What I'm saying is that if we ask for an
increase in the 50 message-a-day limit, we may STILL have the same "holding
until the next
day" problem we have now (which really IS NOT A "problem"...unless you feel like
Fred does, and doesn't want to see the "same faces answering the same things
over and over and over...")
>Also this, like many of our valuable resources, is not limitless...somewhere
>I read a Scout should be "conservation minded"... even if it is the outdoor
>code it would be great to practice with this resource...
We ask of everyone, Fred, that they read the WELCOME letter and frequently, our
listowner will remind us if things get too much out-of-control or if a topic
debate that has no real conclusion on....but it's up to EVERYONE here to
please contribute by posting YOUR feelings, thoughts and ideas EVEN IF they
don't appear on the same day as the rest of everyone's ideas. Remember that
Scouts-L is now a
WORLDWIDE forum, and not just because of the American Scouters living and
working in Europe or the Far East; and that those "participators" get their
email at times when you are at work or play or bed and that they respond to
The 50 message-a-day limit IS a conservation measure, Fred. It conserves our
time in reading Scouts-L, it conserves our listowner's time in tracking down
or old email addresses and correcting "faults" on the listserver caused by
"unsubbing" from the list; and mostly it makes it easier for you and others
to receive ONE posting from the list instead of up to 50 to do so.
The 200-line limit (which, when I posted "I'm Still Smiling" last week, came
ALFULLY CLOSE to it....it *was* 320 lines when I finished typing it and I
cut a lot from the posting...) is ALSO a conservation measure aimed at
"verbose" of us (*raising hand high*) to consider and reconsider what and
how much we write within each posting. I count the number of lines BEFORE I
post so that I
won't get a "nastygram" back saying that "the number of lines in your
posting exceeds the number of lines set up by your listowner...."
>I guess I will offend some of you and I guess I am not following the Scout
>Law that a scout is Courteous..but when I see three or four people making 4
>or 5 posts a day when there is a 50 post a day cap ...I feel they are being
>discourteous to others who would like to participate more fully...
I don't see you being discourteous, Fred, but I don't understand your
ANYONE subscribing to the list can post a message to the list at large at
There's NOT a "time limit", even though there are "line" and "number limits"
explained before. Nobody is keeping you nor anyone else from posting ANYTHING
you like (within reason, of course!) to the rest of us here at Scouts-L. It
be read by the majority of those in the USA until tomorrow; but each and
every posting here....whenever it is posted to the listserver, gets
distributed outward for everyone to read.
>Ok...I am ready for the flames...
No flames, Fred...I'm respecting what you stated here. However, in summary:
* Anyone can post a note to the list and get it distributed to all of us
* There is a 200-line "word limit" and a 50 message "message limit", but if you
deem your posting important to us all, you can cut your posting in half (I have)
and send it as "part one" and "part two".
* When you post to the list, one of two things will happen (assumming of
course, that your posting doesn't exceed the line limit):
-- your posting will be immediately mailed to all members of Scouts-L
-- your posting will be held by the listserver software and distributed
out in the
* Remember that Scouts-L is an INTERNATIONAL emailing discussion list, and that
it takes some time for email to make its way around the globe. Likewise, it
time for people to break away from work, play or home duties to reply to
postings here, which explains why on some days you will get six to eight
responses in a row
from the same person addressing several different issues.
* Finally, this forum informally gives itself about two weeks to talk about
subject (unless new or updated information is provided). That's enough time
for EVERYONE to participate. And to PARTICIPATE, all you have to do is to read,
answer and express yourself here. The listserver software will take care of
I'm sorry that you feel that some folks have "Bogarted" the list, but we
Look it at like being in a classroom and those SAME people raising their
hands all of the time....even when they answer, some of us don't listen to
them; but when someone NEW or DIFFERENT raises their hands and gives an
answer, good or bad......
(MAJ) Mike L. Walton (Settummanque, the blackeagle)
Deputy Public Affairs Officer, 21st Theater Army Area Command
Kaiserslautern, Federal Republic of Germany
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