Re: We have paid song Royalties at Camp Thunder
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@NYC.PIPELINE.COM)
Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:56:28 GMT
On Aug 26, 1996 22:30:44, 'Ed Henderson <BigEdBSA@AOL.COM>' wrote:
>Bruce, I understand your concern. First, our ads in Scouting Magazine
>out of advertising not program as the ASCAP funds would come out of (the
>royalty fee I paid for the chapel song actually comes out of the
>Fund). I don't even know what all songs ASCAP even covers. Do they
>a list? Does the BSA Songbook, Canyon Campfire, or any of the other major
>songbooks list the lyrics owners & how much to send in? How many other
>guilds, associations, and groups of artists out there that are not ASCAP
>members that I might still fall victim to even if we were to pay the $400
I'm not sure I'm concerned about which "budget" which fees come out of when
I am talking about less than $1/boy/week, or even if it were more. Budgets
are artificial allocations of resources. The total cost of the camp
includes the advertising budget, the operating budget, the program budget,
the chaplaincy budget, etc.
ASCAP functions as the umbrella agency for collecting the fees. The only
other group in the US that I am aware of is BMI (Broadcast Music Inc. ?)
but I have heard nothing about them being involved. Essentially, ASCAP
collects on behalf of ALL (or virtually all) composers and lyricists.
>In short, there is a vast difference between someone producing song books
>commercial profit, or giving concerts, etc. and someone being sung happy
>birthday in the dining hall. If ASCAP is serious about this they, and the
>music industry, need to come up with a more comprehensive, easy to follow
>plan for garnering their royalty fees besides a cheap publicity stunt of
>tearing after some unsuspecting Girl Scout Council. All this does is make
>the ASCAP seem petty and foolish.
There is (or was) a plan. My understanding was that ASCAP had reached an
agreement with ACA either last year or several years ago and that the
problem was that camps were not following the ACA recommendation and paying
the annual blanket fee which, I understand RANGES from $25 to $400.
As to whether it is in ASCAP's (and its clients') best interests to pursue
GS and BS councils is a business decision that ASCAP must make.
What bothered me here (and NOT primarily in your post) was an attitude that
because we were non-profit we were either above or not subject to the
copyright laws and HOW DARE they try to enforce them against us. That is a
VERY unscoutlike attitude.
I believe that ASCAP has recently indicated that they had never intended to
make an issue as to GS or BS or other nonprofit org camps, whether that is
true or not.
The bottom line is that if asked to provide royalty payments, in some
reasonable amount and fashion, we should feel obliged to do so and adjust
our budgets however necessary to comply.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City