Re: We have paid song Royalties at Camp Thunder
Ed Henderson (BigEdBSA@AOL.COM)
Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:30:44 -0400
In a message dated 96-08-26 09:42:42 EDT, Bruce Cobern writes back in
response to my post:
MY Origional Post quoted by Bruce
>The articles on this incident said that a $400 payment would take care of
>this. ARE THEY SERIOUS???? There is no way our camp is going to shell
>those kinds of bucks for that.
> Bruce's Response
Are you kidding? How many boys a week do you have? Over the summer?
Let's see, if you have 400/week for 8 weeks that's 3200 boy weeks.
$400/3200 amounts to 12.5 cents per boy/week. How much do you spend on the
advertising in Scouting magazine for a camp that sells out?
>Assuming that the $400 is a blanket fee for unlimited use of ALL ASCAP
protected properties for the summer, I don't see that as any sort of
economic disincentive. >>
Bruce, I understand your concern. First, our ads in Scouting Magazine come
out of advertising not program as the ASCAP funds would come out of (the
royalty fee I paid for the chapel song actually comes out of the Chaplancy
Fund). I don't even know what all songs ASCAP even covers. Do they provide
a list? Does the BSA Songbook, Canyon Campfire, or any of the other major
songbooks list the lyrics owners & how much to send in? How many other
guilds, associations, and groups of artists out there that are not ASCAP
members that I might still fall victim to even if we were to pay the $400
In short, there is a vast difference between someone producing song books for
commercial profit, or giving concerts, etc. and someone being sung happy
birthday in the dining hall. If ASCAP is serious about this they, and the
music industry, need to come up with a more comprehensive, easy to follow
plan for garnering their royalty fees besides a cheap publicity stunt of
tearing after some unsuspecting Girl Scout Council. All this does is make
the ASCAP seem petty and foolish.
I will say it again, there is no way I am going to sit in the camp office
next summer pouring over research in an effort to try and deduce every song
that we may sing during the summer and send out checks to every recording
artist group who might be in line to sue us. What I am going to do is watch
how the AMERICAN CAMPING ASSOCIATION, a major support group for organized
camping, as well as the BSA, GSUSA, and others deal with this at the national
level. No individual camp in America has the time and resources to grapple
with this problem but nationally I am sure they can work out some kind of
umbrella compromise which camps can easily follow.
No camp director wants to flaunt the law but this far the behavior of the
ASCAP folks has been petty, foolish, and in search of sensational headlines
to drive home a point. We want to comply, and where we can determine a way
to do so, as we have, we always will. Having said that, how many of BSA's
343 Summer Camp operations this past summer mailed in their $400 check?
Business Manager - Thunder Scout Reservation
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City